2019 Abu Dhabi Grand Prix - Yas Marina Circuit, 29 - 1 November/December

[Just_a_fan]

Because I think anyone with a bit of sense about F1 will know he's not.

He's hardly been hot property has he?

The only certain comparison is between team mates. The rest is whistling in the wind.

Hamilton has only lost two seasons to his team mates in 13 seasons. He's had three champions as team mates. And on balance beat them all.

And people question his talent.

You are going off tangent here.

It's not about Lewis, we all know how talented he is. This is about Verstappen and Leclerc, if either of those were partnered against Bottas then they both beat him let's face it.

Oh, no. We're all aware of the real reason - people determined to "prove" Hamilton is only good because of the car.

[Wass85]

The only certain comparison is between team mates. The rest is whistling in the wind.

Hamilton has only lost two seasons to his team mates in 13 seasons. He's had three champions as team mates. And on balance beat them all.

And people question his talent.

You are going off tangent here.

It's not about Lewis, we all know how talented he is. This is about Verstappen and Leclerc, if either of those were partnered against Bottas then they both beat him let's face it.

Oh, no. We're all aware of the real reason - people determined to "prove" Hamilton is only good because of the car.

The McLaren years show that is not true but in a way yes, he is being this good because of the car.

At the end of the day he's winning the title, what more can he do. But it is true that the likes of Verstappen and Leclerc would win in the Mercedes being partnered with Bottas.

Now that doesn't mean they would automatically beat Lewis but I wouldn't fancy putting my hard earned money on the outcome.

The team is in desperate need of a shake up but as a fan I don't think my nerves could take it.

[Just_a_fan]

The team is in desperate need of a shake up but as a fan I don't think my nerves could take it.

What? They've won constructor and driver titles 6 years running. What shake up is required? What would it achieve?

[Wass85]

The team is in desperate need of a shake up but as a fan I don't think my nerves could take it.

What? They've won constructor and driver titles 6 years running. What shake up is required? What would it achieve?

For us the fans that's what!
And yes the team will see no reason to as they have the best car on the grid.

I pray to God that Alonso gets a top seat somehow for next season, I'm bored of the status quo.

[Pyrone89]

How do we know Bottas is not in the class of Max, Charles?

Because I think anyone with a bit of sense about F1 will know he's not.

He's hardly been hot property has he?

The only certain comparison is between team mates. The rest is whistling in the wind.

Hamilton has only lost two seasons to his team mates in 13 seasons. He's had three champions as team mates. And on balance beat them all.

And people question his talent.

Stop twisting people’s words. Nobody was questioning his talent. Just asking to be objective and see how much the car is helping him these past 6 years. Just compare Ham stats pre-2014 and post-2014 and you have your answer. Excellent driver, but not the god some make him out to be.

[aral]

Can we please get back on topic and lay off all this fanboy ying yang?

[Wass85]

No driver is a god, nowadays there's a tenth or two between the good and the great. What makes the likes of Hamilton and Verstappen great is their consistency to have the pace week in week out.

They are very fast on Saturday and even better on a Sunday, those two together would make Prost/Senna and Alonso/Hamilton look like a walk in the park IMO.

[AMG.Tzan]

Was that a grand slam today by Hamilton?? Pole, Fastest Lap, Win and Led every lap???

[Wass85]

Can't believe we never got to see Perez's brilliant move on Norris, some driver that Mexican IMO.

[MtthsMlw]

Was that a grand slam today by Hamilton?? Pole, Fastest Lap, Win and Led every lap???

Yes

[holeindalip]

No driver is a god, nowadays there's a tenth or two between the good and the great. What makes the likes of Hamilton and Verstappen great is their consistency to have the pace week in week out.

They are very fast on Saturday and even better on a Sunday, those two together would make Prost/Senna and Alonso/Hamilton look like a walk in the park IMO.

Are you really putting verstappens name and consistency in the same sentence.along with Hamilton’s? Pace maybe, but not results....

[Wass85]

No driver is a god, nowadays there's a tenth or two between the good and the great. What makes the likes of Hamilton and Verstappen great is their consistency to have the pace week in week out.

They are very fast on Saturday and even better on a Sunday, those two together would make Prost/Senna and Alonso/Hamilton look like a walk in the park IMO.

Are you really putting verstappens name and consistency in the same sentence.along with Hamilton’s? Pace maybe, but not results....

Yes I am exactly doing that. The only reason he's had a few run in's is because he's trying to put the car in places it shouldn't be. Go and watch Lewis' 2011 season to see what happens when you try and force results.

[holeindalip]

No driver is a god, nowadays there's a tenth or two between the good and the great. What makes the likes of Hamilton and Verstappen great is their consistency to have the pace week in week out.

They are very fast on Saturday and even better on a Sunday, those two together would make Prost/Senna and Alonso/Hamilton look like a walk in the park IMO.

Are you really putting verstappens name and consistency in the same sentence.along with Hamilton’s? Pace maybe, but not results....

Yes I am exactly doing that. The only reason he's had a few run in's is because he's trying to put the car in places it shouldn't be. Go and watch Lewis' 2011 season to see what happens when you try and force results.

Verstappen was leading a race and crashed into a back marker (or vice versa however you see it) putting his car in places it shouldn’t be...

[TAG]

No driver is a god, nowadays there's a tenth or two between the good and the great. What makes the likes of Hamilton and Verstappen great is their consistency to have the pace week in week out.

They are very fast on Saturday and even better on a Sunday, those two together would make Prost/Senna and Alonso/Hamilton look like a walk in the park IMO.

Are you really putting verstappens name and consistency in the same sentence.along with Hamilton’s? Pace maybe, but not results....

A couple races back he was hailing Bottas as a shoe in for the 2020 title. Don't waste your time, enjoy the off season.

[Wass85]

Are you really putting verstappens name and consistency in the same sentence.along with Hamilton’s? Pace maybe, but not results....

Yes I am exactly doing that. The only reason he's had a few run in's is because he's trying to put the car in places it shouldn't be. Go and watch Lewis' 2011 season to see what happens when you try and force results.

Verstappen was leading a race and crashed into a back marker (or vice versa however you see it) putting his car in places it shouldn’t be...

I'm sure I've seen Lewis do that whilst passing drivers twice, against a certain Japanese driver in 2011 and a certain Finn in 2013.

If you're being petty Hamilton was just as error prone in 2011 than Verstappen but much slower, the Dutchman never got outpaced like Lewis did against Button particularly at the tail end of the season.