2020 F1 Regs Changes

[henry]

Why don’t the teams just create cars that only make downforce in the corners?

[Just_a_fan]

Why don’t the teams just create cars that only make downforce in the corners?

Because the rules forbid them from doing so. That would require active aero and that is not allowed.

[henry]

Why don’t the teams just create cars that only make downforce in the corners?

Because the rules forbid them from doing so. That would require active aero and that is not allowed.

I wasn’t being serious. It’s the equivalent of why don’t Pirelli make tyres that will keep functioning no matter how much they’re abused.

[Xwang]

I think that it is feasible to create a tyre that is safe in a wider operating envelope (that is a project requirement, so something that Pirelli can decide) well beyond the normal operating envelope and that does not give its optimum performances at the border of the wider operating envelope.

[Just_a_fan]

Why don’t the teams just create cars that only make downforce in the corners?

Because the rules forbid them from doing so. That would require active aero and that is not allowed.

I wasn’t being serious. It’s the equivalent of why don’t Pirelli make tyres that will keep functioning no matter how much they’re abused.

Ah.

[siskue2005]

Just let the teams run what pressure and camber they want. If they run too much camber or too low pressure and have a failure then its on the team and that team suffer with the DNF.

I'm not sure if this will backfire on Pirelli. People will probably just think that the tyres are crap instead of questioning the teams setup and tyre usage... Also Pirelli has to state limits, else it'll probably kill a driver sooner or later when a tyre fails.

What were teams and tyre manufacturers doing before 2015? Yes they didnot set any pressure limits or camber limits or toe in limits on the tyres in the 65 years of F1 history until 2015. It is only a way to hide how low quality tyres Pirelli produces. Just make good quality tyres then they wont need any band aid fixes.

2020 first 4 races tyre selection


https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/pire ... e/4608851/
"If we stay on the current construction the only the only thing we can do, the only tool we have is pressure," Isola said.

"What is on the table is exactly this - we can stay on 2019 [tyres] accepting that pressure is raised according to the performance of the cars, and probably we have more degradation and more overheating."


Here we go, it is official now

[Just_a_fan]

in the 65 years of F1 history until 2015. It is only a way to hide how low quality tyres Pirelli produces. Just make good quality tyres then they wont need any band aid fixes.

For the only time in F1's history, the tyre manufacturer and teams aren't allowed to do proper testing. Do you think Bridgestone and Michelin would have produced the tyres of the early 2000s in tbe current environment? No way. Bridgestone was developing (and testing) tyres for Ferrari on an almost race by race basis. They'd test at Fiorano and then select the best tyres for the races.

The FIA have handed Pirelli a knotted rope and asked them to untie it with only one hand.

[henry]

in the 65 years of F1 history until 2015. It is only a way to hide how low quality tyres Pirelli produces. Just make good quality tyres then they wont need any band aid fixes.

For the only time in F1's history, the tyre manufacturer and teams aren't allowed to do proper testing. Do you think Bridgestone and Michelin would have produced the tyres of the early 2000s in tbe current environment? No way. Bridgestone was developing (and testing) tyres for Ferrari on an almost race by race basis. They'd test at Fiorano and then select the best tyres for the races.

The FIA have handed Pirelli a knotted rope and asked them to untie it with only one hand.

Excellent points

In addition these tyres face the highest duty cycle, TE and cornering, of any F1 era AND they’re supposed to degrade such that there are a predictable number of pit stops.

[Just_a_fan]

Indeed so. The heaviest F1 cars ever with as much downforce as an F1 car has ever produced, with PUs that are as powerful as any before over a race distance.

[siskue2005]

Indeed so. The heaviest F1 cars ever with as much downforce as an F1 car has ever produced, with PUs that are as powerful as any before over a race distance.

But the technology should also move forward, we cannot keep saying the tyres from 12 to 15 years ago were the best in f1. Every single thing in f1 has jumped leaps and bounds expect for tyres. It has got to do with budget of pirelli, they are not into too much R & D or not into taking any risks or not into making any progress or rather incompetent..... every year we hear that to compensate for higher dowforce we are going one step harder! and also raising the pressure by some psi.
This has really impacted all teams, and one of the reason no one has been able to beat Mercedes and also making most races boring. Granted there are limitations due to limited testing, but pirelli should also have made better quality tyres.

Why not allow the teams to make their own tyre like they are allowed to make all the other things on their cars! Give them a set of rules like other parts of the car and make what ever tyres they want.

[Just_a_fan]

Granted there are limitations due to limited testing, but pirelli should also have made better quality tyres.

The former makes the latter more difficult. That's the point.

Pirelli could easily make tyres that last for an entire race but the fans want pitstops etc (at least, the FIA thinks they do) and that means the tyres must deteriorate. Getting the deterioration right, without the tyres failing, is tricky when there is little testing allowed.

This has really impacted all teams, and one of the reason no one has been able to beat Mercedes and also making most races boring.

Ah, the real reason comes to light...blame Pirelli for Mercedes's success. Yeah, that'll be it.

[siskue2005]

This has really impacted all teams, and one of the reason no one has been able to beat Mercedes and also making most races boring.

Ah, the real reason comes to light...blame Pirelli for Mercedes's success. Yeah, that'll be it.

If u have seen my posts, i am Merc and Lewis fan ... what i meant to say is that the constant rules change every year and regular tyre compund changes every year has not given any stability to the rules, which means that the gap between teams increases or stays the same and has been one of the reason

[3jawchuck]

Why don't we have another tyre manufacturer yet? Pirelli had it's chances all these years and they failed in my opinion. Miss the tyre war years.

I'm also amazed that Pirelli are still doing this. If I were them I'd have long ago told the FIA that I no longer wish to supply tyres for the sport any more. They can't make the tyres they'd be capable of and get insulted by media and fans alike for doing what they were asked.

[FrukostScones]

Pirelli F1 tyres are/were always crap. Experts knew before its return in 2011 there were never up to the task.
It is really sad. They ruined a lot of seasons already. With some more to come.

[Just_a_fan]

Pirelli F1 tyres are/were always crap.

Really? Back in the day they won the title several years in a row.