Thank you @Hino. I'm going to read it tomorrow. Fortunately I understand the German language,Hino wrote: ↑02 Jan 2020, 22:24.
@Wouter IIRC, A fuel compound from Honda's aviation department used with their jet engines was introduced to Exxon/Mobil via Honda F1. So it took awhile for Mobil to get the formula right.
https://www.speedweek.com/formel1/news/ ... Mobil.html
.
I'm afraid in the link you've posted is nothing about the aviation department.Hino wrote: ↑02 Jan 2020, 22:24@Wouter IIRC, A fuel compound from Honda's aviation department used with their jet engines was introduced to Exxon/Mobil via Honda F1. So it took awhile for Mobil to get the formula right.
https://www.speedweek.com/formel1/news/ ... Mobil.html
Some part of this may be true. Exxon do say they are using compounds in a mix they have never before seen or developed for a race fuel, hence it took a little longer to develop, but they are reaping the rewards now. It's possible Honda's HGRX division provided some assistance there.Hino wrote: ↑02 Jan 2020, 22:24@Wouter IIRC, A fuel compound from Honda's aviation department used with their jet engines was introduced to Exxon/Mobil via Honda F1. So it took awhile for Mobil to get the formula right.
https://www.speedweek.com/formel1/news/ ... Mobil.html
I have read the long article, but nowhere does it say that ExxonMobil does not develop the fuel itself.Hino wrote: ↑02 Jan 2020, 22:24.
@Wouter IIRC, A fuel compound from Honda's aviation department used with their jet engines was introduced to Exxon/Mobil via Honda F1. So it took awhile for Mobil to get the formula right.
https://www.speedweek.com/formel1/news/ ... Mobil.html
As I wrote, that's not true.Snorked wrote: ↑
I don't know, these are Google translated user comments:
"After all, ExxonMobil did not do anything"
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/14777 ... oung-sennaHonda's Formula 1 boss says Max Verstappen's relationship with the company is like seeing that of a young Ayrton Senna.
Honda's F1 managing director Masashi Yamamoto told Autosport: "As Honda, we see him as a very important factor with Honda's project.
"He's young, but his driving is really impressive.
"It looks like seeing a young Senna, with his relationship with Honda.
"Max maybe pays respect to Honda. He feels Honda is familiar. And then probably the badge he showed on the podium in Austria proved that he was very happy as well.
"This gives us an emotion that we want to provide a good engine for him.
"Of course, all the four drivers are very important for us."
Verstappen told Autosport last year that Honda's working practices were aligned with his and he also enjoyed seeing how emotional the manufacturer got when it achieved success.
Honda's Formula 1 boss says Max Verstappen's relationship with the company is like seeing that of a young Ayrton Senna.
Verstappen ended Honda's podium and win droughts in 2019, the first year of its new partnership with Red Bull, and praised the manufacturer regularly throughout the season.
He also pointed to the Honda badge on his race suit when he stepped onto the podium at the Austrian Grand Prix, the scene of Honda's first F1 win in 13 years.
Verstappen's three victories in 2019 have already moved him level with the likes of Keke Rosberg and Gerhard Berger on Honda's list of winners.
That list is topped by three-time world champion Senna, who won 32 grands prix and three world titles between 1987 and 1992 using Honda engines.
Honda's F1 managing director Masashi Yamamoto told Autosport: "As Honda, we see him as a very important factor with Honda's project.
"He's young, but his driving is really impressive.
"It looks like seeing a young Senna, with his relationship with Honda.
"Max maybe pays respect to Honda. He feels Honda is familiar. And then probably the badge he showed on the podium in Austria proved that he was very happy as well.
"This gives us an emotion that we want to provide a good engine for him.
"Of course, all the four drivers are very important for us."
Verstappen told Autosport last year that Honda's working practices were aligned with his and he also enjoyed seeing how emotional the manufacturer got when it achieved success.
Yamamoto said the 22-year-old had developed a close affinity to the brand.
"The passion we showed towards winning made the relationship stronger with him," said Yamamoto.
"He also has been to the F1 R&D centre and our mass production site.
"There's many, many people [working at those facilities] and he has actually seen it.
"He went through a tunnel of people getting high fives, like one kilometre long!
"That kind of thing maybe gave him a stronger impression about Honda, and a stronger commitment to Honda."
It makes sense to me. Fuel suppliers are chemists. They don't have the f1 engines with their complicated combustion regimes to test these fuels. They must have to rely on Honda's internal scientists to guide them in what fuel honda's engine needs.
And, the most interesting aspect is that Honda has put aside the traditional mistrust of the Japanese by forging a closer collaboration with Red Bull.
The integration between chassis and power unit is one of the most complicated aspects of modern F1 and the Milton Keynes team, apparently using the collaboration of the Austrians of AvL (the Graz company that has close ties with Ferrari ...), would have enlarged the His area of expertise, bringing a contribution of ideas in the study of fluid dynamics that begins with the cooling of the 1.6-liter turbo 6 cylinders in the bellies and can go up to the feeding in the combustion chamber.
Not only that, but the two sides also try to exploit aerodynamically to the maximum the blowing effect of the wastegate exhaust gases that act when the engine is released, improving the efficiency of the rear wing and the extractor effect from the diffuser rear with a (slight) increase in low-speed downforce.
The Red Bull engineers had sought this approach even when they were supplied by Renault, but the willingness of the transalpines to accept deep technical "interference" by Milton Keynes had limited the experiments, although the power unit was more advanced than the one French house used on the official car. That's all to say!
I had saved the video link but it appears it has been taken down.
Great that you found this article @ME4ME. Thanks.ME4ME wrote: ↑06 Jan 2020, 09:20I had saved the video link but it appears it has been taken down.
Anyway Racefans snapped up on it as well: https://www.racefans.net/2019/12/18/red ... -2020-car/
Improving Power Unit Performance by Studying Combustion Methods
January 7, 2020
The current F1 is limited to 110kg in fuel weight and cannot be refueled during the race. Therefore, to run as fast as possible with limited fuel, an efficient power unit that balances fuel efficiency and power is required.
Takahashi, who has been involved in Honda's F1 project since 2015 and in charge of combustion at HRD Sakura, said, `` What was difficult was that F1 combustion was a completely different area from that of commercial vehicles. We had to learn everything ourselves. "
"In order to improve fuel efficiency there, it is important to achieve fast combustion."
Burning fuel quickly is one of the conditions for achieving both fuel efficiency and power.
Honda F1 has improved the shape and combustion method of the combustion chamber to burn the fuel faster.
"We had something that we were confident of that will make us more competitive," says Takahashi.
The New fuel was introduced at the F1 Japan GP.
