Mercedes W11

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New suspension systems can obviously have knock on impacts to tyres. Merc have been the best so they need to hope this doesnt change that

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w1Y wrote:
16 Feb 2020, 14:52
New suspension systems can obviously have knock on impacts to tyres. Merc have been the best so they need to hope this doesnt change that
Not expecting the team that has got a dominant car for 7 straight years, has the biggest budget and biggest staff size to suddenly screw up.
True GOATs don’t need the help of superior material to win.

Tom Brady, Usain Bolt are true GOATs.

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Blackout wrote:
16 Feb 2020, 12:14
Mercs sidepods and rear bodywok never impressed me because their car is 17 meter long since 2017. So their sidepods look much smaller and thinner than they really are, on that stretch car. But what's quite impressive now is that this RBish bodywork almost completely wrap the radiators even at the back. There is barely space for the air to exit them.
We nead a rear 3/4 view
https://sf.viepratique.fr/wp-content/up ... -w11_4.jpg
The longer wheelbase of the Mercedes doesn't play much of a role. Wheelbase changes are generally made by lengthening/shortening the gearbox casing as far as I'm aware. If we compare the front of the side-pod to rear face of the engine (estimate) volume, the Mercedes is still more tightly packaged.

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atanatizante wrote:
16 Feb 2020, 13:22
https://postimages.org/

Not the best side by side pictures (especially from Ferrari side) but I think you guys can figure out what every team has done with their sidepods and rear car area ...

Maybe someone could give as a better picture and detailed explanations, comparing and stuff...
Mercedes appears to have done a far better job of the front under-cut than I initially gave them credit for. The distance between the widest part of the monocoque and the narrowest part of the side-pod is potentially the smallest of the three. Both the Ferrari and Red Bull have greater vertical space however, with the Red Bull likely being best due to the narrowest of the cooling inlets.

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Pyrone89 wrote:
16 Feb 2020, 13:22
Basically what we are looking at here is a car that has the best of RB, Ferrari and the W10 combined. Unless they made a screw-up somewhere (and Mercedes does not do that in design, they reserve their blunders for 1 race a year) this car is going to at least challenge for the title again or more likely be the car to beat like the past 7 years.
6 years. :wink:

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w1Y wrote:
16 Feb 2020, 14:52
New suspension systems can obviously have knock on impacts to tyres. Merc have been the best so they need to hope this doesnt change that
Apparently the new rear suspension layout is for aero benefits rather than kinematic improvements.

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Pyrone89 wrote:
16 Feb 2020, 14:58
w1Y wrote:
16 Feb 2020, 14:52
New suspension systems can obviously have knock on impacts to tyres. Merc have been the best so they need to hope this doesnt change that
Not expecting the team that has got a dominant car for 7 straight years, has the biggest budget and biggest staff size to suddenly screw up.
As much as you can help constantly (almost every other post) repeating the claims that Mercedes have had a dominant car since 2014, this actually isn't the case, but we'll leave that for another thread.

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Pyrone89 wrote:
16 Feb 2020, 14:58
w1Y wrote:
16 Feb 2020, 14:52
New suspension systems can obviously have knock on impacts to tyres. Merc have been the best so they need to hope this doesnt change that
Not expecting the team that has got a dominant car for 7 straight years, has the biggest budget and biggest staff size to suddenly screw up.
Do Merc really have the biggest budget considering Ferrari have a $80mil year-on-year headstart?

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Wow he looks happy. Might just be the excitement but he looks as happy as I imagine Brawn and Co did in February 09.
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izzy wrote:
16 Feb 2020, 12:32
zibby43 wrote:
16 Feb 2020, 07:03
Matthew Somerfield (@SomersF1) on the W11:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CawIxugA_Lw&t=2s
Thanks, it's a nice summary isn't it, and a new f1 word (for me): 'face area' :D
You are very welcome! I agree. Somers has great content on his social media (Twitter, YouTube), and appears occasionally on the Missed Apex Tech Time Podcast (which are also can't-miss episodes).

Believe he contributes to many of Motorsport.com's technical pieces, as well.

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Guys, if it is not about the car, if it is about the budget, about the designer, about the looks, about comparative hypothetical performance... we ask you to post over at the team threads, please.
The car threads are meant to be about the hardware, a bit the crown jewels of this forum. And they get heavy enough just with that.
All those other posts and discussions are fine, but at the team threads, please.
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=D> =D>
Yes. He seems very happy. Grinning like a little school girl. :mrgreen:
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Femi wrote:
16 Feb 2020, 19:50
Pyrone89 wrote:
16 Feb 2020, 14:58
w1Y wrote:
16 Feb 2020, 14:52
New suspension systems can obviously have knock on impacts to tyres. Merc have been the best so they need to hope this doesnt change that
Not expecting the team that has got a dominant car for 7 straight years, has the biggest budget and biggest staff size to suddenly screw up.
Do Merc really have the biggest budget considering Ferrari have a $80mil year-on-year headstart?
Yes, and biggest staff. Dont have direct link but believe it was researched some time ago by Formula Money. Quite a big gap to RBR even adjusting for engine spending
True GOATs don’t need the help of superior material to win.

Tom Brady, Usain Bolt are true GOATs.