[ 2020 ] Mclaren F1 Team - Renault

[elldizzle]

He was on the harder tyre though wasnt he?. So if you take into account the tyre delta that's possibly where they're getting that number.

Look at the 2 stin Ham and Sainz was on C2 and Ham is 1s faster even more in some laps

But you should also take a look at the C1 stint from Sainz, which is actually faster than his C2 stint... If they are using that one, the lap times are actually pretty impressive for Sainz.


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It's pure speculation, but Sainz may have been managing his tyres driving to a Delta on the C2, seeing how much tyre wear there was on the softer tyre...who knows?..

[SmallSoldier]

Look at the 2 stin Ham and Sainz was on C2 and Ham is 1s faster even more in some laps

But you should also take a look at the C1 stint from Sainz, which is actually faster than his C2 stint... If they are using that one, the lap times are actually pretty impressive for Sainz.


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It's pure speculation, but Sainz may have been managing his tyres driving to a Delta on the C2, seeing how much tyre wear there was on the softer tyre...who knows?..

Most probably... And that’s why they are probably taking a look at the fastest stint in the hardest tire, it’s easier to drive slower than it is faster, therefore the faster time would be more representative.


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[Ground Effect]

From AS

During an informal talk organized by Mapfre, sponsor of the team, AS talks with Rémi Taffin, head of engines, who explains the progress: "This will be the last year of this family of engines that we started two years ago. It is therefore an evolution with all the work we did during 2019. There will not be many evolutions during the year, because we want to focus soon on the 2021 power unit. "Soon they will go to a new propeller, which they will release next season, but obviously that limits the evolution of the current one. "Most of the evolutions of 2019 will be the first specification of 2020," says Taffin, implying that there will be "a number two engine" during the season. They will seek more benefits without compromising reliability, which improved in the last third of last year.

Full article

https://as.com/motor/2020/02/23/formula ... 80172.html

[the EDGE]

From AS

During an informal talk organized by Mapfre, sponsor of the team, AS talks with Rémi Taffin, head of engines, who explains the progress: "This will be the last year of this family of engines that we started two years ago. It is therefore an evolution with all the work we did during 2019. There will not be many evolutions during the year, because we want to focus soon on the 2021 power unit. "Soon they will go to a new propeller, which they will release next season, but obviously that limits the evolution of the current one. "Most of the evolutions of 2019 will be the first specification of 2020," says Taffin, implying that there will be "a number two engine" during the season. They will seek more benefits without compromising reliability, which improved in the last third of last year.

Full article

https://as.com/motor/2020/02/23/formula ... 80172.html

Unless teams want to take penalties the opportunity to introduce new engines in-season is very limited now because of how long they need to last

[mclaren111]

Back in 2007 this was called a Stepney Gate with DSQ and 100million fine, now its aparently called Usual bussiness practice and it is aparently approved and stimulated.

I understand that as a small team you buy an engine, a gearbox and maybe a part of suspension and a steering wheel. But the chasis should be designed and made by the constructor alone. And i dont have any problem if they copy somebody, but it is impossible to be so useless and inefective to literally duplicate another car and dare to call it your own if you know almost nothing came from you.

If i return to 2007, Mclaren was copying something from Ferrari, but still the two cars were like day and night in comparison, while RP, Haas and AT are copy and paste cars so somekind of blueprint transfer was needed to do that, or did they recruit chinese knockoff specialists to do the job?

Trust me my friend.You are now refering to the Max Mosley Era when the FIA showed tremendous bias in favor of Ferrari. The whole Stepneygate was a set up for Mclaren to be punished since Max Mosley and Ron Dennis didn't see eye to eye. The fact that they didn't managed to find a single thing on the Mclaren car that was from Ferrari and punished the team based on a dossier that two mechanics shared and were ready to defect to Honda says a lot. Don't you find it strange that once Mclaren was excluded from the Constructors Championship they turned their sights on Hamilton and started a psychological war in order for him to lose his advantage? Remember the China Race where the Stage Guys didn't knew how to push Hamilton off the gravel suddenly? Or the reliable engine all year to suddenly reset two times in Brazil? I also cannot forget the two Williams and one Sauber that were found with illegal fuel temperature that basically gave them extra hp but they deemed that it didn't changed anything even though official papers proved it? Then the worst thing is Renault never getting penalized with the same penalty for stealing from Mclaren that year the same way Mclaren was accused.

I hope karma will make Max Mosley pay dearly for that one day.

Amen...

[diffuser]

In general I'm not a fan of what they're allowing RP an AT do but it would be nice to see RP finish ahead of RB.

I got distracted ... I wanted to say "it would be painfull to watch AT and RP finish ahead of Renault". Renault, a team that build it's own chassis and PU. Makes me kind of wish McLaren had partnered with them.

[Zynerji]

Tighter field or bust, IMHO.

[the EDGE]

In general I'm not a fan of what they're allowing RP an AT do but it would be nice to see RP finish ahead of RB.

I got distracted ... I wanted to say "it would be painfull to watch AT and RP finish ahead of Renault". Renault, a team that build it's own chassis and PU. Makes me kind of wish McLaren had partnered with them.

F1 teams should not be allowed to sell non-listed parts to other teams, if they can’t make them themselves they should have to acquire from independent suppliers

[nevill3]

In general I'm not a fan of what they're allowing RP an AT do but it would be nice to see RP finish ahead of RB.

I got distracted ... I wanted to say "it would be painfull to watch AT and RP finish ahead of Renault". Renault, a team that build it's own chassis and PU. Makes me kind of wish McLaren had partnered with them.

F1 teams should not be allowed to sell non-listed parts to other teams, if they can’t make them themselves they should have to acquire from independent suppliers

They are not allowed to share non listed parts or their diagrams etc. But the re is no rule stopping any team from analysing images and developing their own copies.

[the EDGE]

In general I'm not a fan of what they're allowing RP an AT do but it would be nice to see RP finish ahead of RB.

I got distracted ... I wanted to say "it would be painfull to watch AT and RP finish ahead of Renault". Renault, a team that build it's own chassis and PU. Makes me kind of wish McLaren had partnered with them.

F1 teams should not be allowed to sell non-listed parts to other teams, if they can’t make them themselves they should have to acquire from independent suppliers

They are not allowed to share non listed parts or their diagrams etc. But the re is no rule stopping any team from analysing images and developing their own copies.

I thought it was listed parts they had to make themselves?

But either way, with the exception of engines teams should not be allowed to sell parts to other teams period!

[M840TR]

F1 teams should not be allowed to sell non-listed parts to other teams, if they can’t make them themselves they should have to acquire from independent suppliers

They are not allowed to share non listed parts or their diagrams etc. But the re is no rule stopping any team from analysing images and developing their own copies.

I thought it was listed parts they had to make themselves?

But either way, with the exception of engines teams should not be allowed to sell parts to other teams period!

Listed parts are the ones that can be sold & bought. The positions on this matter shouldn't really exist on a continuum I think. In a perfect world B-teams wouldn't exist but without the budget caps they have had to choose this route to stay relevant. If Haas started designing their own suspensions, transmissions and internals they'd go bust in weeks. That said, they still have their own aero, no matter photocopied from others or not.

[the EDGE]

They are not allowed to share non listed parts or their diagrams etc. But the re is no rule stopping any team from analysing images and developing their own copies.

I thought it was listed parts they had to make themselves?

But either way, with the exception of engines teams should not be allowed to sell parts to other teams period!

Listed parts are the ones that can be sold & bought. The positions on this matter shouldn't really exist on a continuum I think. In a perfect world B-teams wouldn't exist but without the budget caps they have had to choose this route to stay relevant. If Haas started designing their own suspensions, transmissions and internals they'd go bust in weeks. That said, they still have their own aero, no matter photocopied from others or not.

I have no problem with them out-sourcing however a team that chooses to should have to outsource from an independent supplier not another competitor

[Zynerji]

I thought it was listed parts they had to make themselves?

But either way, with the exception of engines teams should not be allowed to sell parts to other teams period!

Listed parts are the ones that can be sold & bought. The positions on this matter shouldn't really exist on a continuum I think. In a perfect world B-teams wouldn't exist but without the budget caps they have had to choose this route to stay relevant. If Haas started designing their own suspensions, transmissions and internals they'd go bust in weeks. That said, they still have their own aero, no matter photocopied from others or not.

I have no problem with them out-sourcing however a team that chooses to should have to outsource from an independent supplier not another competitor

In the era of cost capping, this idea makes no sense.

Let them all have a maximum of 1 junior team with exact replicas, and just add their points to the supplying team.

Closer racing = better races to watch.

[the EDGE]

Closer racing = better races to watch.

Formula 2 is close racing... watch that

F1 is about more than close racing

[Zynerji]

Closer racing = better races to watch.

Formula 2 is close racing... watch that

F1 is about more than close racing

Everyone disagrees on what F1 is "about".

Sport, business, marketing, competition.

But eyeballs attached to it is the final meteic.