F1 2020 Pre-Season Testing Thread

[Big Tea]

Getting sponsorship is all about people seeing the name, even if its your own. Its like 'us and them' to the viewers, and those not so committed to the team in front will not have so much interest if they think their team is not going to be fighting. For the same reason, the press will not cover it and hype it up, so less people see the names on the car.
The 'grab' is if someone thinks 'their teams' new car is going to get, or at least trouble, the top. If the top team is out of sight, well at best they will not follow pre season, at worst, will not bother this year at all

[NathanOlder]

Plus if Merc go and put im some 1.14.0's in testing, the FIA are definitely more likely to ban a few tricks you have on your car.

Like what was said above, If you hold some performance back and dangle the carrot, it means other teams will put in more time and money in to catching you. now because they will think you are in reach and beatable. All the while, you are working on next years car and gaining an advantage there. If you show you miles ahead, everyone works on next years car, and that takes away your bonus of starting earlier on next years car.

As Brawn was mentioned, yes they went massively faster straight out of the box, but the full story is, as soon as Brawn realised this, they started sand bagging straight away.

[yelistener]

Impossible that they're that fast. Tricky to say for sure the year on year improvement because from 2017 to 2018 Barcelona was resurfaced which improved lap times by just over 2 second per lap, and again in 2019 it was resurfaced once more.

Barcelona was resurfaced in 2019 also? Do you have any link to prove that?

[dtro]

Impossible that they're that fast. Tricky to say for sure the year on year improvement because from 2017 to 2018 Barcelona was resurfaced which improved lap times by just over 2 second per lap, and again in 2019 it was resurfaced once more.

Barcelona was resurfaced in 2019 also? Do you have any link to prove that?

I believe it was resurfaced after concerns during some MotoGPs in the last few years. They used to run the old sector 3, changed to the current sector 3 as for F1 after a fatal accident, and then resurfaced shortly after if I'm not mistaken.

[GPR-A]

Impossible that they're that fast. Tricky to say for sure the year on year improvement because from 2017 to 2018 Barcelona was resurfaced which improved lap times by just over 2 second per lap, and again in 2019 it was resurfaced once more.

Barcelona was resurfaced in 2019 also? Do you have any link to prove that?

I believe it was resurfaced after concerns during some MotoGPs in the last few years. They used to run the old sector 3, changed to the current sector 3 as for F1 after a fatal accident, and then resurfaced shortly after if I'm not mistaken.

Tyres from 2018 went softer and durable with 2019 profile. That obviously had an impact on the overall performance.

[GPR-A]

@F1debrief has posted new set of Race Sim data for Hamilton and Verstappen. On an average, W11 is over 4 tenths faster through both Sector 1 and Sector 3 than RB16. Whereas RB16, on an average, is a tenth and half faster than W11 in Sector 1.

Finally, some evidence to say that Ferrari is ON PAR with Mercedes! Vettel's first stint in what appears to be a race sim, is almost similar to that of Hamilton. The only difference is, Lewis did his race stint on 20th Feb, whereas Max and Vettel did their stints on 21st FEb which was a much better day in terms of track conditions. But nevertheless, some clarity on Ferrari after all the smoke screen. (Ignore the average times as Vettel only did a first stint, which obviously shows the average to be higher than that of Hamilton. Just look at lap by lap comparison.)

[Sanchit f1fan]

@F1debrief has posted new set of Race Sim data for Hamilton and Verstappen. On an average, W11 is over 4 tenths faster through both Sector 1 and Sector 3 than RB16. Whereas RB16, on an average, is a tenth and half faster than W11 in Sector 1.

Finally, some evidence to say that Ferrari is ON PAR with Mercedes! Vettel's first stint in what appears to be a race sim, is almost similar to that of Hamilton. The only difference is, Lewis did his race stint on 20th Feb, whereas Max and Vettel did their stints on 21st FEb which was a much better day in terms of track conditions. But nevertheless, some clarity on Ferrari after all the smoke screen. (Ignore the average times as Vettel only did a first stint, which obviously shows the average to be higher than that of Hamilton. Just look at lap by lap comparison.)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ERZFbCrXkAA ... ame=medium

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ERY3CutX0AA ... ame=medium

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ERfIaqPXYAA ... me=900x900

Well on the Race Sim Even McLaren was Literally Quite Close to Mercedes

[GPR-A]

@F1debrief has posted new set of Race Sim data for Hamilton and Verstappen. On an average, W11 is over 4 tenths faster through both Sector 1 and Sector 3 than RB16. Whereas RB16, on an average, is a tenth and half faster than W11 in Sector 1.

Finally, some evidence to say that Ferrari is ON PAR with Mercedes! Vettel's first stint in what appears to be a race sim, is almost similar to that of Hamilton. The only difference is, Lewis did his race stint on 20th Feb, whereas Max and Vettel did their stints on 21st FEb which was a much better day in terms of track conditions. But nevertheless, some clarity on Ferrari after all the smoke screen. (Ignore the average times as Vettel only did a first stint, which obviously shows the average to be higher than that of Hamilton. Just look at lap by lap comparison.)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ERZFbCrXkAA ... ame=medium

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ERY3CutX0AA ... ame=medium

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ERfIaqPXYAA ... me=900x900

Well on the Race Sim Even McLaren was Literally Quite Close to Mercedes

Err.. No.

[vas_04614]

@F1debrief has posted new set of Race Sim data for Hamilton and Verstappen. On an average, W11 is over 4 tenths faster through both Sector 1 and Sector 3 than RB16. Whereas RB16, on an average, is a tenth and half faster than W11 in Sector 1.

Finally, some evidence to say that Ferrari is ON PAR with Mercedes! Vettel's first stint in what appears to be a race sim, is almost similar to that of Hamilton. The only difference is, Lewis did his race stint on 20th Feb, whereas Max and Vettel did their stints on 21st FEb which was a much better day in terms of track conditions. But nevertheless, some clarity on Ferrari after all the smoke screen. (Ignore the average times as Vettel only did a first stint, which obviously shows the average to be higher than that of Hamilton. Just look at lap by lap comparison.)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ERZFbCrXkAA ... ame=medium

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ERY3CutX0AA ... ame=medium

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ERfIaqPXYAA ... me=900x900

If it isn't part of a race sim then you can't take it as a race sim first stint, as you can't say if tank was full or not.

[GPR-A]

@F1debrief has posted new set of Race Sim data for Hamilton and Verstappen. On an average, W11 is over 4 tenths faster through both Sector 1 and Sector 3 than RB16. Whereas RB16, on an average, is a tenth and half faster than W11 in Sector 1.

Finally, some evidence to say that Ferrari is ON PAR with Mercedes! Vettel's first stint in what appears to be a race sim, is almost similar to that of Hamilton. The only difference is, Lewis did his race stint on 20th Feb, whereas Max and Vettel did their stints on 21st FEb which was a much better day in terms of track conditions. But nevertheless, some clarity on Ferrari after all the smoke screen. (Ignore the average times as Vettel only did a first stint, which obviously shows the average to be higher than that of Hamilton. Just look at lap by lap comparison.)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ERZFbCrXkAA ... ame=medium

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ERY3CutX0AA ... ame=medium

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ERfIaqPXYAA ... me=900x900

If it isn't part of a race sim then you can't take it as a race sim first stint, as you can't say if tank was full or not.

On the face of it, you are right. But some more work has gone in to determine that, it is potentially a race sim.

MARK HUGHES: THE FIRST SIGN OF HOW MUCH FERRARI’S HOLDING BACK

How do we know that Vettel began that 16-lap stint with a race-starting fuel load (ie around 100kg)? We don’t. We can only compare with the times he did in earlier runs. The Ferrari’s best single lap of the test was a 1m17.5s. If we assume that to have been set with a qualifying-level of fuel (in reality it would probably be carrying at least 30kg for the purposes of testing), then the 4.3s difference between that and the 1m 21.78s Vettel begins the stint with represents over 100kg. Which would be a race-starting stint. After a 16-lap stint, the fuel load would be around 25kg lighter (around 0.9s-worth).

So, how come there is ‘only’ a 4.3s gap between the Ferrari’s best single lap and its pace at the beginning of the ‘race-start’ whereas the difference is far greater for Mercedes and Red Bull, which lapped in a best of 1m15.7s and 1m16.4s respectively? The answer to this brings us to the nub of why Ferrari has so far been trailing at the back of the pack in terms of single lap pace. GPS analysis suggests that Ferrari is running its engine in a very restrictive mode – even compared to the identical engines in the Alfa-Romeo and Haas cars. This race mode is estimated to be around one second off the engine’s true potential, as would be used in a typical low-fuel run to give the team an idea of qualifying pace. Subtract that one second from the car’s best time – and suddenly it’s vying with Red Bull as the second-fastest car (though with both around 0.8s adrift of Mercedes and only a tenth or so clear of the Racing Point). But for the race simulation runs, teams would typically be on a similarly conservative engine setting to Ferrari, hence the comparison becomes more ‘normal’ than that of single lap running.

[vas_04614]

Finally, some evidence to say that Ferrari is ON PAR with Mercedes! Vettel's first stint in what appears to be a race sim, is almost similar to that of Hamilton. The only difference is, Lewis did his race stint on 20th Feb, whereas Max and Vettel did their stints on 21st FEb which was a much better day in terms of track conditions. But nevertheless, some clarity on Ferrari after all the smoke screen. (Ignore the average times as Vettel only did a first stint, which obviously shows the average to be higher than that of Hamilton. Just look at lap by lap comparison.)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ERZFbCrXkAA ... ame=medium

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ERY3CutX0AA ... ame=medium

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ERfIaqPXYAA ... me=900x900

If it isn't part of a race sim then you can't take it as a race sim first stint, as you can't say if tank was full or not.

On the face of it, you are right. But some more work has gone in to determine that, it is potentially a race sim.

MARK HUGHES: THE FIRST SIGN OF HOW MUCH FERRARI’S HOLDING BACK

How do we know that Vettel began that 16-lap stint with a race-starting fuel load (ie around 100kg)? We don’t. We can only compare with the times he did in earlier runs. The Ferrari’s best single lap of the test was a 1m17.5s. If we assume that to have been set with a qualifying-level of fuel (in reality it would probably be carrying at least 30kg for the purposes of testing), then the 4.3s difference between that and the 1m 21.78s Vettel begins the stint with represents over 100kg. Which would be a race-starting stint. After a 16-lap stint, the fuel load would be around 25kg lighter (around 0.9s-worth).

So, how come there is ‘only’ a 4.3s gap between the Ferrari’s best single lap and its pace at the beginning of the ‘race-start’ whereas the difference is far greater for Mercedes and Red Bull, which lapped in a best of 1m15.7s and 1m16.4s respectively? The answer to this brings us to the nub of why Ferrari has so far been trailing at the back of the pack in terms of single lap pace. GPS analysis suggests that Ferrari is running its engine in a very restrictive mode – even compared to the identical engines in the Alfa-Romeo and Haas cars. This race mode is estimated to be around one second off the engine’s true potential, as would be used in a typical low-fuel run to give the team an idea of qualifying pace. Subtract that one second from the car’s best time – and suddenly it’s vying with Red Bull as the second-fastest car (though with both around 0.8s adrift of Mercedes and only a tenth or so clear of the Racing Point). But for the race simulation runs, teams would typically be on a similarly conservative engine setting to Ferrari, hence the comparison becomes more ‘normal’ than that of single lap running.

Ok.





Can i assume with above stints of perez that RP is on Ferrari level and if Ferrari is on Mercedes level, then you know!!
Also is Ferrari 1:17.5 is extrapolation from their C4 time which is 1:18.1?




I think, better lets wait and see after test two.

[GPR-A]

Ok.
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Can i assume with above stints of perez that RP is on Ferrari level and if Ferrari is on Mercedes level, then you know!!
Also is Ferrari 1:17.5 is extrapolation from their C4 time which is 1:18.1?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ERUaNFcXUAM ... ame=large?


I think, better lets wait and see after test two.

RP is the Real Dark Horse in all this! I wouldn't be surprised if that car start the season as the third best car. The team is struggling to cover their excitement. Based on what Allison was telling in yesterday's W11 introduction video, the HPP has found a "lot of fresh horses" in the new engine, which could propel RP to podiums in the first few races if Checko does a good job. Not to be surprised with them and if that happens, the question is, will they hold on to such performance for the rest of the season.

[vas_04614]

Being FI/RP fan, i hope you are right. But difference in driver lineup means Ferrari need not worry unless checo has real good day

[etusch]

[NathanOlder]

Talking about Racing Point, and the pink Mercedes. What if (I know its like 99% unlikely) but what IF , they actually made the car better than the W10 ? Its not impossible, and with the tighter PU packaging, it could have unlocked the W10's full potential