Will Electric Vehicles Be Viable? When?

[izzy]

Yes, but what I considered walking distance and walking speed 20 years ago I now have a taxi for
The taxi is always there even if I use it for 10 min, it travels half a mile to collect me and a mile back.
Multiply this my how many million do something similar each day than X 7 x 365 etc
Take a mom with 3 kids on a wet day too

Safety and not being intrusive is the whole point of this.

oh okay, yes i suppose it won't actually be for students eventually. tho i have doubts about public transport generally, i think personal mobility is what people really want. But perhaps you'll be able to summon a pod

[Big Tea]

Yes, but what I considered walking distance and walking speed 20 years ago I now have a taxi for
The taxi is always there even if I use it for 10 min, it travels half a mile to collect me and a mile back.
Multiply this my how many million do something similar each day than X 7 x 365 etc
Take a mom with 3 kids on a wet day too

Safety and not being intrusive is the whole point of this.

oh okay, yes i suppose it won't actually be for students eventually. tho i have doubts about public transport generally, i think personal mobility is what people really want. But perhaps you'll be able to summon a pod

I believe something similar was intended to be in place in Tokyo in time for the Olympics, to ferry people from stations and airports to the hotels then hotels to sites of events.

I think it is this sort of thing that would make a real difference to townies having a car at all. Busstop to busstop is fine sometimes, but the 'last mile' means people keep the car.

[AJI]

The coronavirus has now spread to EV sales.

https://insideevs.com/news/400215/janua ... car-sales/

[izzy]

I believe something similar was intended to be in place in Tokyo in time for the Olympics, to ferry people from stations and airports to the hotels then hotels to sites of events.

I think it is this sort of thing that would make a real difference to townies having a car at all. Busstop to busstop is fine sometimes, but the 'last mile' means people keep the car.

i see, yes and as you say EV is a vital step to make it so controllable. And then if you can just call one to have to yourself, that's a key difference, and then convoy mode makes them more efficient than a railway apparently, for longer trips. And if it mirrors your phone properly that might make it personal enough. And tbf i know people who fire up their stone cold ICE SUV to do a few hundred yards

[Big Tea]

I believe something similar was intended to be in place in Tokyo in time for the Olympics, to ferry people from stations and airports to the hotels then hotels to sites of events.

I think it is this sort of thing that would make a real difference to townies having a car at all. Busstop to busstop is fine sometimes, but the 'last mile' means people keep the car.

i see, yes and as you say EV is a vital step to make it so controllable. And then if you can just call one to have to yourself, that's a key difference, and then convoy mode makes them more efficient than a railway apparently, for longer trips. And if it mirrors your phone properly that might make it personal enough. And tbf i know people who fire up their stone cold ICE SUV to do a few hundred yards

Then they have to find somewhere to park it and walk a hundred mtr to where they were going anyway

[Greg Locock]

The coronavirus has now spread to EV sales.

https://insideevs.com/news/400215/janua ... car-sales/

So EV sales aren't supply limited, they are demand limited.

[AJI]

The coronavirus has now spread to EV sales.

https://insideevs.com/news/400215/janua ... car-sales/

So EV sales aren't supply limited, they are demand limited.

Supply limited in the 1st world, demand limited in the single largest market that has adopted EVs apparently...
Who would have thought a global pandemic and economic factors would influence people's decisions on vehicle purchase!

[Andres125sx]

This is interesting re electric and self driving
It is from 'the other end' rather than selling cars to us

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMxeQzFoZb4

it all looks like walking distance, and walking speed! just sayin

Did you expect first AVs on open roads moving at faster speeds?

It's common sense, first check how do they work on real scenarios with objects and people moving around at unexpected directions and speeds, then when those AVs prove they're safe speed will increase. At some point they will be able to move much faster than current cars, as computers don't get distracted, have constant 360 monitoring, and reaction times are milliseconds instead of tenths or even seconds like humans

[Andres125sx]

The coronavirus has now spread to EV sales.

https://insideevs.com/news/400215/janua ... car-sales/

I'll dare to say the end of EVs subsidizing is much more relevant than coronavirus on EVs sales drop

[izzy]

Did you expect first AVs on open roads moving at faster speeds?

It's common sense, first check how do they work on real scenarios with objects and people moving around at unexpected directions and speeds, then when those AVs prove they're safe speed will increase. At some point they will be able to move much faster than current cars, as computers don't get distracted, have constant 360 monitoring, and reaction times are milliseconds instead of tenths or even seconds like humans

yes i do agree, i wasn't totally serious, i think convoys is going to be the way. It did just look a bit silly in that example, with students queueing to get where they were going more slowly, and the boffins talking earnestly about how difficult it was to achieve

[Xwang]

According to me when an electric car will be able to win le mans 24 without being helped by rules, then it will be the time when electric vehicles will be completely available.

[hollus]

Including swappable batteries, I hope?

[Xwang]

Why not.
From my point of view swappable batteries could be a better idea for long range and small "recharge" time than having hundreds of kilos of batteries to fullfill the long range requirement.
If on a 24 race the ev is faster it means that the recharge speed issue has been somewhat resolved by the technological point of view.
Then the market will say if it is economic for the end user and complete society too (at the moment a lot of people push for EV, but I am not sure that the cost and pollution of battery manufacturing and dismissal are completely taken into account).
IMHO

[Andres125sx]

According to me when an electric car will be able to win le mans 24 without being helped by rules, then it will be the time when electric vehicles will be completely available.

ICE will be banned before than. A pointless hope if you ask me, none need 24h of continuous running, much less at race pace

[Andres125sx]

but I am not sure that the cost and pollution of battery manufacturing and dismissal are completely taken into account. IMHO

That´s been discussed repeteadly. First, batteries can be recycled. Second, before that they can be re-used for example for home instalations or for grid backup (that´s not the name in english, sorry can´t remind it) as an old battery only fall on discharge rate, but for home applications or grid that parameter is almost irrelevant, so after X years of use into the car it was designed for, it can be used 3X or 4X on other applications. And finally all new batteries in development are taking very seriously this aspect, both to be manufactured without harming materials and to be easier and cheaper to recycle.

Also, EVs can use batteries, or not. Hydrogen is an option, fusion reactors might be other in the future