Ferrari Power Unit Hardware & Software

[Polite]

A 'severe punishment'? Ferrari got the smallest punishment possible, no points taken away and still no explanation about what was wrong with the engine.

Ferrari is not guilty, according to FIA. Bah.. only haters..

They are not innocent either, according to the FIA.

Maybe its just not a veto power they hold over the sport but a contractual clause which prevents the FIA from speaking of Ferrari in a way they do not approve.

when someone is found guilty, Fia says it and gives every technical information about the "non legal" tool in the car. So.. if Fia doesnt give informations to other teams and doesnt claim Ferrari guilty, Ferrari is not guilty
"a contractual clause which prevents the FIA from speaking of Ferrari in a way they do not approve" this is FAKE, the veto power is about new regulations (not directives on a given regulation)or Ferrari should have activate it vs the 2019 DTs about PU, or against the DT about the blowing rims of the 2018!

Only speculations and hate against Ferrari.

[LM10]

I think this has been quite a severe punishment for Ferrari - it's a big public humiliation after all. FIA didn't need to come out with an announcement, even if it was something of a compromise.

A 'severe punishment'? Ferrari got the smallest punishment possible, no points taken away and still no explanation about what was wrong with the engine.

Maybe nothing was wrong. FIA's statement has been quite neutral. Could be negative or positive. Depends on your opinion.

I'll wait for the season to start and then conclude from real on track performance, if they might have lost significant amount of power.
Towards the end of last season I already told that we'll have to wait until 2020 season unfolds before assessing the situation. A possibility is that Ferrari have hidden performance on purpose in the last couple of races. A little bit like Mercedes decided not to run the blown wheel hubs in 2018.

At the moment there are different articles going in both directions. On the one hand articles like that from AMuS claiming that Ferrari was cheating, needed to build a complete new engine complying with the rules (sounds very unlikely) and on top of that needs to "pay" as a punishment by supporting the FIA financially and technically in the future.
On the other hand, there are articles claiming that the situation was actually a win for Ferrari because Ferrari explained their way of how they interpret the rules, communicated this to the FIA (like Mercedes did with DAS) and that's how they eventually came to a settlement. Another article claimed that Ferrari's new PU has 15 more horses than last year's PU.

So it's a bit of a tricky situation right now. We'll have to wait and see with our own eyes what happens performance wise in the races before interpreting letters and jumping to definitive conclusions.

[Polite]

new engines for all this year for the new tech rule of the 0,3lper100km in race of oil consumption.

This explains why Ferrari, which has the best PU in the 2019, has to rebuild the engine.

Also explains why AMG is having a lot of techinical issues on the new PU (seems like their ICE is good only at burning oil .. they are not gaining HP till the 0,6lper100km rule!)

[jumpingfish]

I think this has been quite a severe punishment for Ferrari - it's a big public humiliation after all. FIA didn't need to come out with an announcement, even if it was something of a compromise.

A 'severe punishment'? Ferrari got the smallest punishment possible, no points taken away and still no explanation about what was wrong with the engine.

Maybe nothing was wrong. FIA's statement has been quite neutral. Could be negative or positive. Depends on your opinion.
I'll wait for the season to start and then conclude from real on track performance, if they might have lost significant amount of power.

Agreed. So much media and people wrote about "lost power" after the TDs but no one of them could show this "lost power", how do they see it? Only examples with the race pace but engine power for straight line speed isn't the same with race pace and early dying tyres during races. So interesting if Ferrari turned off cheats then how do they can be so fast on straights in Abu-Dhabi after all those investigations and TDs?

[Jip]

Ferrari is not guilty, according to FIA. Bah.. only haters..

They are not innocent either, according to the FIA.

Maybe its just not a veto power they hold over the sport but a contractual clause which prevents the FIA from speaking of Ferrari in a way they do not approve.

when someone is found guilty, Fia says it and gives every technical information about the "non legal" tool in the car. So.. if Fia doesnt give informations to other teams and doesnt claim Ferrari guilty, Ferrari is not guilty
"a contractual clause which prevents the FIA from speaking of Ferrari in a way they do not approve" this is FAKE, the veto power is about new regulations (not directives on a given regulation)or Ferrari should have activate it vs the 2019 DTs about PU, or against the DT about the blowing rims of the 2018!

Only speculations and hate against Ferrari.

Why would Ferrari settle when they have a legal car? That doesn't make any sense, and also look at last year. From the moment a TD was issued, Ferrari had a significant loss of pace, and not just for one race but for the remainder of the season. What is wrong about this is that the FIA doesn't give any information. Last year, the whole paddock was full with question about this, and the FIA still kept their mouth shut. Now they are doing the same thing, and giving us no explanation what it is they 'settled' and what the evidence is the FIA has. IF Ferrari didn't do anything wrong, why not directly state so in the statement? The FIA would have done that if that was the case, but they didn't.

[jumpingfish]

They are not innocent either, according to the FIA.

Maybe its just not a veto power they hold over the sport but a contractual clause which prevents the FIA from speaking of Ferrari in a way they do not approve.

when someone is found guilty, Fia says it and gives every technical information about the "non legal" tool in the car. So.. if Fia doesnt give informations to other teams and doesnt claim Ferrari guilty, Ferrari is not guilty
"a contractual clause which prevents the FIA from speaking of Ferrari in a way they do not approve" this is FAKE, the veto power is about new regulations (not directives on a given regulation)or Ferrari should have activate it vs the 2019 DTs about PU, or against the DT about the blowing rims of the 2018!

Only speculations and hate against Ferrari.

Why would Ferrari settle when they have a legal car? That doesn't make any sense, and also look at last year. From the moment a TD was issued, Ferrari had a significant loss of pace, and not just for one race but for the remainder of the season. What is wrong about this is that the FIA doesn't give any information. Last year, the whole paddock was full with question about this, and the FIA still kept their mouth shut. Now they are doing the same thing, and giving us no explanation what it is they 'settled' and what the evidence is the FIA has. IF Ferrari didn't do anything wrong, why not directly state so in the statement? The FIA would have done that if that was the case, but they didn't.

Can you show "a significant loss of POWER" not a pace please? Where do you see loss power? How SF90 without cheats is faster on Abu-Dhabi straights for 0.5s minimum, can you explain here?

[LM10]

They are not innocent either, according to the FIA.

Maybe its just not a veto power they hold over the sport but a contractual clause which prevents the FIA from speaking of Ferrari in a way they do not approve.

when someone is found guilty, Fia says it and gives every technical information about the "non legal" tool in the car. So.. if Fia doesnt give informations to other teams and doesnt claim Ferrari guilty, Ferrari is not guilty
"a contractual clause which prevents the FIA from speaking of Ferrari in a way they do not approve" this is FAKE, the veto power is about new regulations (not directives on a given regulation)or Ferrari should have activate it vs the 2019 DTs about PU, or against the DT about the blowing rims of the 2018!

Only speculations and hate against Ferrari.

Why would Ferrari settle when they have a legal car? That doesn't make any sense, and also look at last year. From the moment a TD was issued, Ferrari had a significant loss of pace, and not just for one race but for the remainder of the season. What is wrong about this is that the FIA doesn't give any information. Last year, the whole paddock was full with question about this, and the FIA still kept their mouth shut. Now they are doing the same thing, and giving us no explanation what it is they 'settled' and what the evidence is the FIA has. IF Ferrari didn't do anything wrong, why not directly state so in the statement? The FIA would have done that if that was the case, but they didn't.

The FIA doesn't need to give any further information, if there is no protest. If other teams think Ferrari cheats and know how they do or might do it, they can protest.

[kimetic]

A 'severe punishment'? Ferrari got the smallest punishment possible, no points taken away and still no explanation about what was wrong with the engine.

This episode is doing Ferrari a lot of damage, don't underestimate it. FIA could have said nothing, but instead now all Ferrari's achievements will be undermined by this secret "settlement" that suggests they're willing to cross the line. It involves a kind of Community Service Order penalty after all.

Of course it can be interpreted in different ways, but one of the more obvious interpretations is that if FIA had revealed the whole truth it would have looked bad, been a big problem, and that therefore the "settlement" included not revealing the whole truth.

So it looks quite bad already, and the truth is even worse. That's going to follow them around for a long time, because it implies a mindset. It's been a bad outcome for them.

[Polite]

They are not innocent either, according to the FIA.

Maybe its just not a veto power they hold over the sport but a contractual clause which prevents the FIA from speaking of Ferrari in a way they do not approve.

when someone is found guilty, Fia says it and gives every technical information about the "non legal" tool in the car. So.. if Fia doesnt give informations to other teams and doesnt claim Ferrari guilty, Ferrari is not guilty
"a contractual clause which prevents the FIA from speaking of Ferrari in a way they do not approve" this is FAKE, the veto power is about new regulations (not directives on a given regulation)or Ferrari should have activate it vs the 2019 DTs about PU, or against the DT about the blowing rims of the 2018!

Only speculations and hate against Ferrari.

Why would Ferrari settle when they have a legal car? That doesn't make any sense, and also look at last year. From the moment a TD was issued, Ferrari had a significant loss of pace, and not just for one race but for the remainder of the season. What is wrong about this is that the FIA doesn't give any information. Last year, the whole paddock was full with question about this, and the FIA still kept their mouth shut. Now they are doing the same thing, and giving us no explanation what it is they 'settled' and what the evidence is the FIA has. IF Ferrari didn't do anything wrong, why not directly state so in the statement? The FIA would have done that if that was the case, but they didn't.

-"Why would Ferrari settle when they have a legal car?" - maybe to prevent tech infos to become public?

-"From the moment a TD was issued, Ferrari had a significant loss of pace" - this is proven to be false.

-"the FIA still kept their mouth shut" - FIA gives informations only in case of illegality.. otherwise they would brake the tech patents. (which is property of the team..) (example: blowing rims 2018.. they were found legal and FIA didnt give any other informations to competitors!)

-"IF Ferrari didn't do anything wrong, why not directly state so in the statement" - FIA states only for illegal tools, not for legal tools.

[subcritical71]

Ferrari is not guilty, according to FIA. Bah.. only haters..

They are not innocent either, according to the FIA.

Maybe its just not a veto power they hold over the sport but a contractual clause which prevents the FIA from speaking of Ferrari in a way they do not approve.

when someone is found guilty, Fia says it and gives every technical information about the "non legal" tool in the car. So.. if Fia doesnt give informations to other teams and doesnt claim Ferrari guilty, Ferrari is not guilty
"a contractual clause which prevents the FIA from speaking of Ferrari in a way they do not approve" this is FAKE, the veto power is about new regulations (not directives on a given regulation)or Ferrari should have activate it vs the 2019 DTs about PU, or against the DT about the blowing rims of the 2018!

Only speculations and hate against Ferrari.

I have no hate for Ferrari, and yes it is speculation, just as saying they ran their engines legally is speculation until proven one way or the other. My beef is with the FIA who are not acting as a governing authority without undue influence in this case.

If the FIA had said nothing I could see there being no question of legality. Since they decided to make a statement and not specify one way or the other raises serious doubts. And then for Ferrari to agree to settle means they are trading 'something' for 'something else'. What that is will always be speculation.

[Polite]

They are not innocent either, according to the FIA.

Maybe its just not a veto power they hold over the sport but a contractual clause which prevents the FIA from speaking of Ferrari in a way they do not approve.

when someone is found guilty, Fia says it and gives every technical information about the "non legal" tool in the car. So.. if Fia doesnt give informations to other teams and doesnt claim Ferrari guilty, Ferrari is not guilty
"a contractual clause which prevents the FIA from speaking of Ferrari in a way they do not approve" this is FAKE, the veto power is about new regulations (not directives on a given regulation)or Ferrari should have activate it vs the 2019 DTs about PU, or against the DT about the blowing rims of the 2018!

Only speculations and hate against Ferrari.

I have no hate for Ferrari, and yes it is speculation, just as saying they ran their engines legally is speculation until proven one way or the other. My beef is with the FIA who are not acting as a governing authority without undue influence in this case.

from the rules point of view, only illegality is a speculation and must be proven. Till there weren't any protests, the Pu was legal. So illegality must be proven and is speculation; legality is the truth but can be wrong

FIA is not a good governing authority till the old 2012 in season tyre change... a lot of speculation!

[Jip]

when someone is found guilty, Fia says it and gives every technical information about the "non legal" tool in the car. So.. if Fia doesnt give informations to other teams and doesnt claim Ferrari guilty, Ferrari is not guilty
"a contractual clause which prevents the FIA from speaking of Ferrari in a way they do not approve" this is FAKE, the veto power is about new regulations (not directives on a given regulation)or Ferrari should have activate it vs the 2019 DTs about PU, or against the DT about the blowing rims of the 2018!

Only speculations and hate against Ferrari.

Why would Ferrari settle when they have a legal car? That doesn't make any sense, and also look at last year. From the moment a TD was issued, Ferrari had a significant loss of pace, and not just for one race but for the remainder of the season. What is wrong about this is that the FIA doesn't give any information. Last year, the whole paddock was full with question about this, and the FIA still kept their mouth shut. Now they are doing the same thing, and giving us no explanation what it is they 'settled' and what the evidence is the FIA has. IF Ferrari didn't do anything wrong, why not directly state so in the statement? The FIA would have done that if that was the case, but they didn't.

-"Why would Ferrari settle when they have a legal car?" - maybe to prevent tech infos to become public?

-"From the moment a TD was issued, Ferrari had a significant loss of pace" - this is proven to be false.

-"the FIA still kept their mouth shut" - FIA gives informations only in case of illegality.. otherwise they would brake the tech patents. (which is property of the team..) (example: blowing rims 2018.. they were found legal and FIA didnt give any other informations to competitors!)

-"IF Ferrari didn't do anything wrong, why not directly state so in the statement" - FIA states only for illegal tools, not for legal tools.

Do you have an explanation then why Ferrari suddenly had a big pace deficit as soon as a TD was issued, and before that really had one of the best cars on the grid? And why would there be a settlement, if there was nothing wrong with the engine. If that was the case, the FIA wouldn't have settled anything and as you say, we wouldn't hear anything of it. So I really don't understand that people say Ferrari did nothing wrong, we still don't know what they exactly did wrong, but that's for the FIA to say.

[supermarine]

The annoying thing about the way this has been handled is that the really interesting technical details will never be known. I would love to know how Ferrari were doing what they were doing and how much extra fuel they were able to get into the engine than was legal as a result.
Does the 4.88kg anomaly in LeClerc's fuel load at Abu Dhabi tell us anything about the latter? Being really simplistic about it, if we assume they should have had about 100kg of fuel in the car does that mean Ferrari were using around 5% extra than they were admitting to? If so, was the performance advantage of the Ferrari PU we were seeing consistent with fuel flow rate of around 105kg/hr? Anyone have any thoughts?

[restless]

-"Why would Ferrari settle when they have a legal car?" - maybe to prevent tech infos to become public?

Beg your pardon?
First you claim Ferrari has to settle to keep legal tech info from publicity.
Then you claim

FIA gives informations only in case of illegality.. otherwise they would brake the tech patents. (which is property of the team..) (example: blowing rims 2018.. they were found legal and FIA didnt give any other informations to competitors!)

Please make your mind.
When will FIA give tech details - when something is illegal, or legal?
When will FIA settle with a team - when everything is fine or when something is deemed as problem?

Should we wait settlements with Mercedes about DAS, with RB about using high rake, with Honda for making too small engine?
Oh, damn, we should wait for settlements, but without tech details, because they are legal... or was it illegal?!

[Polite]

-"Why would Ferrari settle when they have a legal car?" - maybe to prevent tech infos to become public?

Beg your pardon?
First you claim Ferrari has to settle to keep legal tech info from publicity.
Then you claim

FIA gives informations only in case of illegality.. otherwise they would brake the tech patents. (which is property of the team..) (example: blowing rims 2018.. they were found legal and FIA didnt give any other informations to competitors!)

Please make your mind.
When will FIA give tech details - when something is illegal, or legal?
When will FIA settle with a team - when everything is fine or when something is deemed as problem?

Should we wait settlements with Mercedes about DAS, with RB about using high rake, with Honda for making too small engine?
Oh, damn, we should wait for settlements, but without tech details, because they are legal... or was it illegal?!

.. illegality=public tech specifications to all other teams, in case of protests.. as usual

the settlement can be a tradeoff: ferrari gives informations to better understand whats going on in their PU but FIA must be shut up about those infos. Those infos will be the base knowledge to test everyother PU.

this is my mind about it