FIA-Ferrari PU Statement Controversy

[NathanOlder]

The prize money is not so much what stings me, But all those poles, and a few wins. Who would have won them? That hurts.

7 poles and 3 wins were taken by Ferrari. The 3 wins would have gone to Hamilton (Belgium), Bottas (Italy) and Verstappen (Singapore - Ferrari took 1 and 2 and Max was third).

Yeah, although if Ferrari hadnt raced , Hamilton would have won all 3.

[dren]

Nigel Stepney's ghost was spotted recently in the paddock.

[nzjrs]

That's a great comparison. Imagine something like "We have investigated Lance Armstrong's supplement use and agree to a settlement without disclosure of details. In the future, the team of Lance will help us develop new detection guidelines regarding supplements"

Beautiful.

[Capharol]

Marc Priestley asking: "With seven F1 teams picking a joint fight against the FIA and Ferrari, what could the eventual outcome be?"

thanks, wow he's totally with Toto isn't he!

and he's so right imo that FIA just made themselves look guilty with releasing their statement so obviously at that sneaky story-burying time

you haven't seen the video before this one, he ranted against the FIA like a mad dog

[e30ernest]

Read this article
https://f1-insider.com/en/formula1/team ... d-ferrari/

They all know it is something naughty and they r upset coz no action was taken or everything was brushed under the carpet. Rumours that Redbull are even going to sue coz Ferrari let go freely will cost them 20 million €

If other teams just wanted to know about legality of any similar system they developed or plan to develop, they just need to get clarification from fia, like they did with the DAS system... it is that simple

I agree. IMO it's getting hard to defend. It's like having a boxer being suspected of using performance enhancing drugs and the WBA issuing a statement that after they've investigated said boxer, they've reached a "settlement" over the matter and things would stay "between" them.

If the Ferrari engine was legal, the FIA would have said as such. If the FIA couldn't find sufficient proof to prove the Ferrari engine was illegal, they would have said that as well. In either scenario, they do not have to disclose specific technical information. But having worded the announcement that way made it really suspicious.

That's a great comparison. Imagine something like "We have investigated Lance Armstrong's supplement use and agree to a settlement without disclosure of details. In the future, the team of Lance will help us develop new detection guidelines regarding supplements"

Haha I was going to use Lance as an example, but thought about staying non-specific. But yes, exactly what I was trying to say (you did it more eloquently).

[turbof1]

Marc Priestley asking: "With seven F1 teams picking a joint fight against the FIA and Ferrari, what could the eventual outcome be?"

thanks, wow he's totally with Toto isn't he!

and he's so right imo that FIA just made themselves look guilty with releasing their statement so obviously at that sneaky story-burying time

you haven't seen the video before this one, he ranted against the FIA like a mad dog

Which really underlines how shady the current situation is. Marc Priestley is a very rational, collected person. For him to even dedicate such a specific video to it, tells something.

[mafeotul]

The FIA has conducted detailed technical analysis on the Scuderia Ferrari Power Unit as it is entitled to do for any competitor in the FIA Formula One World Championship.

The extensive and thorough investigations undertaken during the 2019 season raised suspicions that the Scuderia Ferrari PU could be considered as not operating within the limits of the FIA regulations at all times. The Scuderia Ferrari firmly opposed the suspicions and reiterated that its PU always operated in compliance with the regulations.The FIA was not fully satisfied but decided that further action would not necessarily result in a conclusive case due to the complexity of the matter and the material impossibility to provide the unequivocal evidence of a breach.

To avoid the negative consequences that a long litigation would entail especially in light of the uncertainty of the outcome of such litigations and in the best interest of the Championship and of its stakeholders, the FIA, in compliance with Article 4 (ii) of its Judicial and Disciplinary Rules (JDR), decided to enter into an effective and dissuasive settlement agreement with Ferrari to terminate the proceedings.

This type of agreement is a legal tool recognised as an essential component of any disciplinary system and is used by many public authorities and other sport federations in the handling of disputes.

The confidentiality of the terms of the settlement agreement is provided for by Article 4 (vi) of the JDR.

The FIA will take all necessary action to protect the sport and its role and reputation as regulator of the FIA Formula One World Championship.



The FIA has replied.

[Jaisonas]

The FIA has conducted detailed technical analysis on the Scuderia Ferrari Power Unit as it is entitled to do for any competitor in the FIA Formula One World Championship.

The extensive and thorough investigations undertaken during the 2019 season raised suspicions that the Scuderia Ferrari PU could be considered as not operating within the limits of the FIA regulations at all times. The Scuderia Ferrari firmly opposed the suspicions and reiterated that its PU always operated in compliance with the regulations.The FIA was not fully satisfied but decided that further action would not necessarily result in a conclusive case due to the complexity of the matter and the material impossibility to provide the unequivocal evidence of a breach.

To avoid the negative consequences that a long litigation would entail especially in light of the uncertainty of the outcome of such litigations and in the best interest of the Championship and of its stakeholders, the FIA, in compliance with Article 4 (ii) of its Judicial and Disciplinary Rules (JDR), decided to enter into an effective and dissuasive settlement agreement with Ferrari to terminate the proceedings.

This type of agreement is a legal tool recognised as an essential component of any disciplinary system and is used by many public authorities and other sport federations in the handling of disputes.

The confidentiality of the terms of the settlement agreement is provided for by Article 4 (vi) of the JDR.

The FIA will take all necessary action to protect the sport and its role and reputation as regulator of the FIA Formula One World Championship.



The FIA has replied.

So TLDR is, "we know they're doing something, we cant figure it out, so we cant be arsed now"

[Sawtooth-spike]

The FIA was not fully satisfied but decided that further action would not necessarily result in a conclusive case due to the complexity of the matter and the material impossibility to provide the unequivocal evidence of a breach.

I guess the FIA do have to Prove that Ferrari Cheated. Which they cant seem to do. Which follows the Innocent till proven guilty logic.
I guess the agreement is that Ferrari have had to change the PU setup to avoid further investigation as i the FIA know what they are doing, they just cant work out how.

[mafeotul]

The FIA has conducted detailed technical analysis on the Scuderia Ferrari Power Unit as it is entitled to do for any competitor in the FIA Formula One World Championship.

The extensive and thorough investigations undertaken during the 2019 season raised suspicions that the Scuderia Ferrari PU could be considered as not operating within the limits of the FIA regulations at all times. The Scuderia Ferrari firmly opposed the suspicions and reiterated that its PU always operated in compliance with the regulations.The FIA was not fully satisfied but decided that further action would not necessarily result in a conclusive case due to the complexity of the matter and the material impossibility to provide the unequivocal evidence of a breach.

To avoid the negative consequences that a long litigation would entail especially in light of the uncertainty of the outcome of such litigations and in the best interest of the Championship and of its stakeholders, the FIA, in compliance with Article 4 (ii) of its Judicial and Disciplinary Rules (JDR), decided to enter into an effective and dissuasive settlement agreement with Ferrari to terminate the proceedings.

This type of agreement is a legal tool recognised as an essential component of any disciplinary system and is used by many public authorities and other sport federations in the handling of disputes.

The confidentiality of the terms of the settlement agreement is provided for by Article 4 (vi) of the JDR.

The FIA will take all necessary action to protect the sport and its role and reputation as regulator of the FIA Formula One World Championship.



The FIA has replied.

So TLDR is, "we know they're doing something, we cant figure it out, so we cant be arsed now"

Yeah,

I like the phrasing "could be considered as not operating within the limits at all times" . Says a lot without saying too much.

[Ringleheim]

Formula One has always operated in a Mickey Mouse fashion, with conflicts of interest rampant up and down the pit lane.

This is nothing new! Contrary to what some are suggesting, this will not simply die down and go away. This is going to be the ONLY thing everyone is talking about in the paddock at Albert Park, assuming there isn't some type of major resolution to the matter before then, which is unlikely.

And the FIA is absolutely going to have to address the matter further.

As a Ferrari fan, all this really means for me is that Ferrari is likely to have a power loss relative to last year and they aren't going to get that back any time soon.

No way will the FIA vacate points/results from last year. That's not going to happen.

[Juzh]

The FIA was not fully satisfied but decided that further action would not necessarily result in a conclusive case due to the complexity of the matter and the material impossibility to provide the unequivocal evidence of a breach.

I guess the FIA do have to Prove that Ferrari Cheated. Which they cant seem to do. Which follows the Innocent till proven guilty logic.
I guess the agreement is that Ferrari have had to change the PU setup to avoid further investigation as i the FIA know what they are doing, they just cant work out how.

Nah, they know how it was done, but it was removed prior to US GP and so they can't prove such a system was in operation, because indeed after they started checking for all that stuff it really wasn't.

[GPR-A]

How long is this thread going to run, beyond the FIA clarification? Now that FIA deemed the matter to be closed, may be the mods should now rename this thread to "Public display of anger, frustration and ignorance towards Ferrari via a large dose of Speculation".

[izzy]

you haven't seen the video before this one, he ranted against the FIA like a mad dog

he can be a bit strident can't he

[mafeotul]

How long is this thread going to run, beyond the FIA clarification? Now that FIA deemed the matter to be closed, may be the mods should now rename this thread to "Public display of anger, frustration and ignorance towards Ferrari via a large dose of Speculation".

I am sorry, but what? They have just clarified that the engines are not within regulation at all times. How much of a clear statement would you need from the Governing body to clarify the problem? This is not going to go away, the matter must be resolved because of a lot of money involved in the positioning of the Championship.