FIA-Ferrari PU Statement Controversy

[ecapox]

According to Motorsport.com the Ferrari PU investigation revealed that there was something odd, but the FIA delegates werent smart enough to PROVE what was going on. But thats not the interesting part....

If the Motorsport.it people are right, Ferrari were hired to help the FIA get smarter. They mention that they completely opened their doors to the FIA and are working directly with them on the "gray areas" of the F1 regulations. In other words, the government instead of locking up the hacker, has hired the hacker to learn and stop other hackers. The article specifically notes the flexible wings tricks as well as engine tricks where the FIA are DIRECTLY learning from Ferrari. This gives the FIA more knowledge about what the top teams are doing, how they are doing it, and more importantly, they have the ability now to create tests to stop these things.

again...if the article is factually correct...Im not positive, but it makes a lot of sense. Especially from the wording of the release.

In italian but you can translate if you want.
https://it.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-fe ... e/4722599/

[nzjrs]

According to some engine specialists and thermodynamics experts, apparently Ferrari innovation is not dealing with fuel accumulation or fuel flow rate. It deals with the enthalpy properties of their fuel mixture in interface with the intercooler.

Link please

[henry]

Perhaps perceptions will have some effect in the season, whatever the truth is.

If team members up and down the pit lane feel that Ferrari somehow denied them, podiums, points, kudos, results based compensation, they might be extra motivated to compromise Ferrari. A Ferrari dropping back into traffic might find passing more difficult. A driver being lapped might wait for 3 blue flags, etc. In general people don’t like it when they believe someone has denied them something they think was rightfully theirs, be that team principal or wheel gun man.

[RZS10]

According to Motorsport.com the Ferrari PU investigation revealed that there was something odd, but the FIA delegates werent smart enough to PROVE what was going on. But thats not the interesting part....

If the Motorsport.it people are right, Ferrari were hired to help the FIA get smarter. They mention that they completely opened their doors to the FIA and are working directly with them on the "gray areas" of the F1 regulations. In other words, the government instead of locking up the hacker, has hired the hacker to learn and stop other hackers. The article specifically notes the flexible wings tricks as well as engine tricks where the FIA are DIRECTLY learning from Ferrari. This gives the FIA more knowledge about what the top teams are doing, how they are doing it, and more importantly, they have the ability now to create tests to stop these things.

again...if the article is factually correct...Im not positive, but it makes a lot of sense. Especially from the wording of the release.

In italian but you can translate if you want.
https://it.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-fe ... e/4722599/

Now riddle me this ... if there's any truth to that ... would someone who is not guilty agree to something like this?

[TAG]

The defense insistence on defending Ferrari and claiming they didn't cheat is the classic, can't see the forest for the trees. No evidence Ferrari cheated, other than they show up with an additional 30 hp after the summer break and then it magically all goes away as soon as the FiA starts looking into it and makes a couple of rule classifications to the matter. No evidence, it's laughable.

[RZS10]

Oh it's easy to do, just deactivate any deductive reasoning/logic in your brain and voila ....

[214270]

I wonder what the fan reaction will be like at race weekends? Zandvoort will be the first interesting venue; the Dutch supporters are fearless!

[basti313]

According to Motorsport.com the Ferrari PU investigation revealed that there was something odd, but the FIA delegates werent smart enough to PROVE what was going on. But thats not the interesting part....

If the Motorsport.it people are right, Ferrari were hired to help the FIA get smarter. They mention that they completely opened their doors to the FIA and are working directly with them on the "gray areas" of the F1 regulations. In other words, the government instead of locking up the hacker, has hired the hacker to learn and stop other hackers. The article specifically notes the flexible wings tricks as well as engine tricks where the FIA are DIRECTLY learning from Ferrari. This gives the FIA more knowledge about what the top teams are doing, how they are doing it, and more importantly, they have the ability now to create tests to stop these things.

again...if the article is factually correct...Im not positive, but it makes a lot of sense. Especially from the wording of the release.

In italian but you can translate if you want.
https://it.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-fe ... e/4722599/

Now riddle me this ... if there's any truth to that ... would someone who is not guilty agree to something like this?

???? I am surprised, that this is going down without noise, but we are still discussing possible rule mismatches in a season that was borderline boring due to a too strong Mercedes team.

I would, no matter what the background is, say "JACKPOT" if the administration of my customers would ask me to help them to understand what is good and bad in relation to my competition.

[basti313]

The defense insistence on defending Ferrari and claiming they didn't cheat is the classic, can't see the forest for the trees. No evidence Ferrari cheated, other than they show up with an additional 30 hp after the summer break and then it magically all goes away as soon as the FiA starts looking into it and makes a couple of rule classifications to the matter. No evidence, it's laughable.

The issue is, that "evidence" in English has too many meanings. In a real state of law you clearly separate indications from real proofable evidence in the wording. The courts are in Europe, so no way to show up with laughable indications like: Now they are even slower!

[snowy]

If there are any race weekends! Covid-19 is just around the next bend...

[snowy]

It's interesting that Ferrari are now being tasked with policing Formula One?

[snowy]

Should I have said ironic? Or did everybody spot the irony?

[Wustenfuchs]

The defense insistence on defending Ferrari and claiming they didn't cheat is the classic, can't see the forest for the trees. No evidence Ferrari cheated, other than they show up with an additional 30 hp after the summer break and then it magically all goes away as soon as the FiA starts looking into it and makes a couple of rule classifications to the matter. No evidence, it's laughable.

Post reeks of irony, just like most of yours.
You cite vague conclusions as palpable evidence while also making some false, unsubstantiated claims to support your argument. I wish this kind of mindlessness was kept out of a forum like this one, but unfortunately it has also filled with trolls.

The claim that they showed up with 30hp after the summer break is incorrect, they had superior acceleration on many tracks before it throughout 2019 as well as some in 2018, when the speculation train started. This, while being inaccurate is also not provable, as with most things in F1, its journalists reporting what they've heard, which is 90% incorrect and speculation-estimation. Then you claim it all went away after some TDs, which is obviously hasn't. You just provide your feelings and no substance or analysis. Basically your comment is the condensed version of the typical hive-mind comment going around the social media and infecting everyone who isn't versed with F1 technicalities.

And that is not only laughable but irresponsible so I suggest to the moderators of this forum to warn users making comments such as this one. It's 100% flaming and trolling and 0% F1 technical.

[Pyrone89]

Summary of the topic:
-Ferrari was not playing according to the rules, commonly know as cheating.
-The FIA however could not secure the evidence to build a legal case (which is different than whether or not you did it).
-Max was right (although it was a ‘Prost tractor’ like comment with regards to his future at Ferrari)

[santos]

The defense insistence on defending Ferrari and claiming they didn't cheat is the classic, can't see the forest for the trees. No evidence Ferrari cheated, other than they show up with an additional 30 hp after the summer break and then it magically all goes away as soon as the FiA starts looking into it and makes a couple of rule classifications to the matter. No evidence, it's laughable.

It's not the first time that FIA resolves a problem this way. You can't say that cheated without proving that they did. That's a problem of societies. First they judge, than they will try to prove.
If the other teams are so sure about something on the engine of Ferrari, why didn't they made a protest?