FIA-Ferrari PU Statement Controversy

[Xwang]

Ok, I've seen, but the fact that Todt oversaw the investigation is not in a quoted sentence so it is something that the journalist is saying we do not know on what basis. This instead is the quoted text: “The Council expressed unanimous support for the FIA President and the FIA Technical Department in regard to the overall management of the case, and strongly opposed any comments that undermine the reputation and image of the FIA and the Formula One World Championship.”

[etusch]

You think so? Remember 2014 when stewards from the Grand Prix in Abu Dhabi opted to disqualify both Red Bull Racing drivers after it was found that the team had designed its front wings to flex under aerodynamic load?

No i don't remember, did they pass the static load test?

https://www.racecar-engineering.com/new ... d-illegal/

[RZS10]

Ok, I've seen, but the fact that Todt oversaw the investigation is not in a quoted sentence so it is something that the journalist is saying we do not know on what basis.

That's why i wrote "claim" - can't be sure whether it's true

[bluechris]

If the other engine manufacturers want to know what Ferrari is doing the ALL of them can gather and collaborate in good faith explain each one in every detail how their engine works. After this transparency were everyone will understand every engine then they can reach to a conclusion who is on the limit by the rules or exceeding it. They dare to do that? Offcourse not, so why Ferrari need to show to everyone how his engine works is beyond me in this thread and in any place with analysis that is based off rumors or pointing fingers by horner or max or by Mercedes.

For like the hundredth time no one is asking to see Ferrari's Pu details. They want to know that it's either legal or illegal, and they don't need to see it to know that.

And for hundredth time, how they will learn that? Im all ears. You think FIA knows? I don't think so and is written very well from FIA. So what's left? The others to see for themselves the Ferrari engine? Yeap and then they can turn side in their bed for better sleep.
I say it again, everything is political and publicity stands to pressure FIA for other things, like money distributionb or Ferrari veto power. Its like or neighbor here in Greece, Erdogan. Every day says and demand 2-3 things from us or the EU or the USA or the Russians. The guy is nuts but by doing these he wins 1-2 things in the 20 that he asks so its a win for him. Reminds me a friend i had in my youth that he was flirting everything female every moment and i was embarrassed but by doing that he was hitting 1 in 15 woman's at least so he was winning.

[strad]

Let me double up on this: any more insults or personal comments, will lead to closure of this thread and restriction on the talking topic itself. If people can't act as adults, we will treat them as children.

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+1
Could not agree more.

[Pyrone89]

[Pyrone89]

edit: Somehow messed up and did not quote...

Does anyone know if this statement/settlement mess is Masi or is it a different grouping within the FIA? I don’t know much about the FIA heirachy.

The articles about the WMSC statement claim that Jean Todt personally oversaw the investigation.

Yeah nothing fishy there. The ex-Ferrari team boss and current father of Leclerc's manager (who stands to lose all his poles and wins). Why don't we let Hamilton's or Verstappen's father officiate next time one of those is under investigation

[izzy]

The WMSC is a huge part of the problem. It's a little club, where they all look after each other, the members are heads of national clubs who get benefits from FIA, and so quelle surfreakingprise everything they vote is unanimous, including when they voted to support Max Mosley after he was caught with 5 prostitutes in German army uniforms being spanked, lol, and to fine McLaren $100m for having 3 petty details about a Ferrari in their email archive

so it doesn't mean anything except it's FIA+Ferrari versus the other teams and oem's, which we knew already. Well i suppose it nails WMSC as part of what The Seven have to try and fix

[Restomaniac]

According to Motorsport.com the Ferrari PU investigation revealed that there was something odd, but the FIA delegates werent smart enough to PROVE what was going on. But thats not the interesting part....

If the Motorsport.it people are right, Ferrari were hired to help the FIA get smarter. They mention that they completely opened their doors to the FIA and are working directly with them on the "gray areas" of the F1 regulations. In other words, the government instead of locking up the hacker, has hired the hacker to learn and stop other hackers. The article specifically notes the flexible wings tricks as well as engine tricks where the FIA are DIRECTLY learning from Ferrari. This gives the FIA more knowledge about what the top teams are doing, how they are doing it, and more importantly, they have the ability now to create tests to stop these things.

again...if the article is factually correct...Im not positive, but it makes a lot of sense. Especially from the wording of the release.

In italian but you can translate if you want.
https://it.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-fe ... e/4722599/

If that’s true then the FIA are not fit for purpose as they are no longer a fair broker. How can they be when they are in bed with 1 team and together they are policing the other 9?

[Pyrone89]

According to Motorsport.com the Ferrari PU investigation revealed that there was something odd, but the FIA delegates werent smart enough to PROVE what was going on. But thats not the interesting part....

If the Motorsport.it people are right, Ferrari were hired to help the FIA get smarter. They mention that they completely opened their doors to the FIA and are working directly with them on the "gray areas" of the F1 regulations. In other words, the government instead of locking up the hacker, has hired the hacker to learn and stop other hackers. The article specifically notes the flexible wings tricks as well as engine tricks where the FIA are DIRECTLY learning from Ferrari. This gives the FIA more knowledge about what the top teams are doing, how they are doing it, and more importantly, they have the ability now to create tests to stop these things.

again...if the article is factually correct...Im not positive, but it makes a lot of sense. Especially from the wording of the release.

In italian but you can translate if you want.
https://it.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-fe ... e/4722599/

If that’s true then the FIA are not fit for purpose as they are no longer a fair broker. How can they be when they are in bed with 1 team and together they are policing the other 9?

If this is true (which I think it is, as I already thought they meant that in the official FIA statements) the 7 other teams should immidiately boycot and start their own series. Because you can be damn sure Ferrari will be teaching the FIA all the tricks the other 7 are using while not teaching them anything that can be used against Ferrari themselves.

[Restomaniac]

According to Motorsport.com the Ferrari PU investigation revealed that there was something odd, but the FIA delegates werent smart enough to PROVE what was going on. But thats not the interesting part....

If the Motorsport.it people are right, Ferrari were hired to help the FIA get smarter. They mention that they completely opened their doors to the FIA and are working directly with them on the "gray areas" of the F1 regulations. In other words, the government instead of locking up the hacker, has hired the hacker to learn and stop other hackers. The article specifically notes the flexible wings tricks as well as engine tricks where the FIA are DIRECTLY learning from Ferrari. This gives the FIA more knowledge about what the top teams are doing, how they are doing it, and more importantly, they have the ability now to create tests to stop these things.

again...if the article is factually correct...Im not positive, but it makes a lot of sense. Especially from the wording of the release.

In italian but you can translate if you want.
https://it.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-fe ... e/4722599/

If that’s true then the FIA are not fit for purpose as they are no longer a fair broker. How can they be when they are in bed with 1 team and together they are policing the other 9?

If this is true (which I think it is, as I already thought they meant that in the official FIA statements) the 7 other teams should immidiately boycot and start their own series. Because you can be damn sure Ferrari will be teaching the FIA all the tricks the other 7 are using while not teaching them anything that can be used against Ferrari themselves.

Exactly.

[timbo]

If that’s true then the FIA are not fit for purpose as they are no longer a fair broker. How can they be when they are in bed with 1 team and together they are policing the other 9?

Is that fundamentally different from all teams using common ECU made by McLaren?

[strad]

the part I find suspicious :

The World Council has responsibility for all aspects of international motorsport and decides on regulations, among other things.
It consists of 28 people, including FIA president Todt and F1 boss Chase Carey.
Ferrari are the only F1 team with a seat on the Council.

This can only cause suspicion and doubt about any findings involving Ferrari.

[timbo]

Because you can be damn sure Ferrari will be teaching the FIA all the tricks the other 7 are using.

Apparently the other 7 don't know for sure what Ferrari was doing. How would Ferrari learn what the other 7 do?

[etusch]

Because you can be damn sure Ferrari will be teaching the FIA all the tricks the other 7 are using.

Apparently the other 7 don't know for sure what Ferrari was doing. How would Ferrari learn what the other 7 do?

3 or 7 ? What teams can do with the Engine?