Seven Formula One teams have demanded clarity and more information about the private agreement that was announced by the FIA and Scuderia Ferrari over their power unit investigation.
This has gone under the radar until yesterday, but for me this is a possibly bigger problem. We all remember the Prost+Balestre vs Senna situation and I am dreading a similar or worse Leclerc+Todt vs Verstappen/Russell/Norris/Sainz situation in the future.
Maybe it went under your radar, it's known stuff...
You are going to have to explain that, because they aren't the ones accused of bending/braking the rules, or getting the benefits of secret deals with the governing body.
the rule that introduced the agreement was issued to close the Pirelli / mercedes test case late in 2012..
Eh guy : Jean TODT has been voted, not decided or choosen by one person! Do you remember about that?bosyber wrote: ↑11 Mar 2020, 12:11Eh, personal attacks? No, it's more an attack on the FIA management position. Though his position as former Ferrari team lead, and son who is manager of one of Ferrari driver with new 5 year deal do not help the image he created of keeping things in the family, the issue is that the secret settlement lends itself to such arguments, which the FIA should have seen coming, and avoided. Now it is being used by the other competitors to get a stronger position in their 2021 deals.
But, you are of course free to take it personal; and hoping for Ferrari to win, while I cannot see how that would be an exciting season after the novelty of it wears off, is your right, though also off topic here.
Fully agreed with you. Now, they are even contesting the authority of the FIA. It is funny because they will cut the branch they are sitting onMr.G wrote: ↑11 Mar 2020, 13:31Maybe it went under your radar, it's known stuff...
Reading all this for me it looks like Mercedes' political games ruined F1...
What's he making up, do you think? This is the original article, from sensation-seeking Daily Mail tho Jonathan McEvoy is quite well connected i think: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/formu ... ngine.html214270 wrote: ↑11 Mar 2020, 16:54Todt making things up?: https://www.gpfans.com/en/articles/5075 ... questions/
I think he is referring to this part.
Formula 1 CEO Chase Carey questions why FIA president Jean Todt has dragged him into the ongoing dispute between seven teams and the FIA and Ferrari.
Reports have revealed that Carey has contacted Todt about his inclusion in a letter from the FIA to the seven teams that are currently protesting the decision for a non-disclosed 'settlement' over the legality of Ferrari's 2019 power unit.
he Daily Mail revealed that a five paragraph letter was sent from Carey to the FIA stating that he had 'no part' in the investigation, its findings or the settlement, but that he remained supportive of the FIA's handling of the situation.
Why? 6 years in row Mercedes had the best pu as matter performance and reliability but suddenly if Ferrari does for once a better pu then the FIA will be in a tricky spot? I don't remember anyone saying the last year's that Mercedes does something fishy with their pu but for them to be dominant it's perfectly fine right?Just_a_fan wrote:I think that if Ferrari have a big PU advantage this year, the teams will be protesting every race. That will put the FIA in a tricky spot, in terms of bad PR at least.Schumix wrote: ↑11 Mar 2020, 11:58
Unbelievable!
Now personal attacks have started and Jean TODT is in the target because, apparently, he has been Ferrari Boss in the past.
I am not a tifosi but I would really love to see Ferrari this year with a clear advantage regarding PU performance so that many people will recall that Ferrari knows how to built a F1 PU.
Because the other seven teams believe (atleast how i interpret their actions) Ferrari got that advantage by breaking/bending the rules, and that the FIA is covering it up.bluechris wrote: ↑11 Mar 2020, 18:42Why? 6 years in row Mercedes had the best pu as matter performance and reliability but suddenly if Ferrari does for once a better pu then the FIA will be in a tricky spot? I don't remember anyone saying the last year's that Mercedes does something fishy with their pu but for them to be dominant it's perfectly fine right?
dans79 wrote: ↑11 Mar 2020, 18:32I think he is referring to this part.
ah, okay i suppose i gave up trying to work out how Chase had no part in it but was supportive! But Jean had included him without asking, by the sound of itFormula 1 CEO Chase Carey questions why FIA president Jean Todt has dragged him into the ongoing dispute between seven teams and the FIA and Ferrari.
Reports have revealed that Carey has contacted Todt about his inclusion in a letter from the FIA to the seven teams that are currently protesting the decision for a non-disclosed 'settlement' over the legality of Ferrari's 2019 power unit.
he Daily Mail revealed that a five paragraph letter was sent from Carey to the FIA stating that he had 'no part' in the investigation, its findings or the settlement, but that he remained supportive of the FIA's handling of the situation.
Formula One is always completely inbred with conflicts of interest all over the place.
It's naive to think this is about the engine... It's about the Concorde agreement, money, new rules, keeping competitors busy, distraction from their own team, ... Classic Lauda, Toto tactics... I don't saying they doing something wrong, just for me it's too much. Mercedes is too cocky, and arrogant, like they got "god complex"...
I have to say, it really reads populistic.bosyber wrote: ↑11 Mar 2020, 11:23The questions are likely secret bc. they would embarrass the FIA
So, according to the Daily Mail (yeah, but article does seem rather solid)
