Mercedes W11

[godlameroso]

I still can't believe how much fuss people make over a gimmick.

[GTO99]

Wouldn't Merc already have cleared with FIA the legality of DAS for this season?

[Racer X]

Wouldn't Merc already have cleared with FIA the legality of DAS for this season?

Yeah but you still have to legally wait for other teams to protest and then the FIA does its thing and may or may not approve and what ever. But the current FIA stance is that its legal but banned for next year.

[izzy]

I still can't believe how much fuss people make over a gimmick.

cmon it's gorgeous! it can do mysterious things, cool the tyres, get rid of those inner shoulder blisters, raise the front ride height a bit (12 degrees of steering can drop it by 5mm so 1 degree of toe in can raise it by .4mm if it's linear) AND we can see it

PLUS it's contentious, borderline and totally F1

[mmred]

I still can't believe how much fuss people make over a gimmick.

cmon it's gorgeous! it can do mysterious things, cool the tyres, get rid of those inner shoulder blisters, raise the front ride height a bit (12 degrees of steering can drop it by 5mm so 1 degree of toe in can raise it by .4mm if it's linear) AND we can see it

PLUS it's contentious, borderline and totally F1

I work in the auto field, non racing, and i assure you i can get fired tomorrow for 0.1mm . A tollerabile difference would be 0.001 MayBe 0.01, if the chief Is Happy 0.05

Imagine what happens in the racing department

[zibby43]

I still can't believe how much fuss people make over a gimmick.

Tell that to Red Bull. Sure doesn't make sense to pay your lawyers to analyze a gimmick. Doesn't make much sense to threaten to protest over a gimmick, either.

[izzy]

I work in the auto field, non racing, and i assure you i can get fired tomorrow for 0.1mm . A tollerabile difference would be 0.001 MayBe 0.01, if the chief Is Happy 0.05

Imagine what happens in the racing department

5mm is legal at 12 degrees of lock, unless it's changed in the last couple of years without me noticing. There's a good article about it by Gary Anderson: https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/fia- ... 1/1384526/

The FIA is using a 5mm change from lock to lock as the threshold for legality,

and

half-a-millimetre can make a significant difference to both the overall amount of downforce and the balance of the car.

[Polite]

I work in the auto field, non racing, and i assure you i can get fired tomorrow for 0.1mm . A tollerabile difference would be 0.001 MayBe 0.01, if the chief Is Happy 0.05

Imagine what happens in the racing department

5mm is legal at 12 degrees of lock, unless it's changed in the last couple of years without me noticing. There's a good article about it by Gary Anderson: https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/fia- ... 1/1384526/

The FIA is using a 5mm change from lock to lock as the threshold for legality,

and

half-a-millimetre can make a significant difference to both the overall amount of downforce and the balance of the car.

is not lock to lock m8, but didn remeber the degrees..

[PlatinumZealot]

I still can't believe how much fuss people make over a gimmick.

cmon it's gorgeous! it can do mysterious things, cool the tyres, get rid of those inner shoulder blisters, raise the front ride height a bit (12 degrees of steering can drop it by 5mm so 1 degree of toe in can raise it by .4mm if it's linear) AND we can see it

PLUS it's contentious, borderline and totally F1

I work in the auto field, non racing, and i assure you i can get fired tomorrow for 0.1mm . A tollerabile difference would be 0.001 MayBe 0.01, if the chief Is Happy 0.05

Imagine what happens in the racing department

Yeah your are going to be fired because you didnt check your instruments right!
But a toleranace is a tolerance! As long as it is within the rules!

Remember flexi-wings?!
And the Williams flexi-splitter!

[atanatizante]

Did they raise the rake this year?



and on the same note but mostly off-topic (sorry mods but I could not help myself):

[godlameroso]

I still can't believe how much fuss people make over a gimmick.

cmon it's gorgeous! it can do mysterious things, cool the tyres, get rid of those inner shoulder blisters, raise the front ride height a bit (12 degrees of steering can drop it by 5mm so 1 degree of toe in can raise it by .4mm if it's linear) AND we can see it

PLUS it's contentious, borderline and totally F1

I work in the auto field, non racing, and i assure you i can get fired tomorrow for 0.1mm . A tollerabile difference would be 0.001 MayBe 0.01, if the chief Is Happy 0.05

Imagine what happens in the racing department

mm or degrees?

[mmred]

cmon it's gorgeous! it can do mysterious things, cool the tyres, get rid of those inner shoulder blisters, raise the front ride height a bit (12 degrees of steering can drop it by 5mm so 1 degree of toe in can raise it by .4mm if it's linear) AND we can see it

PLUS it's contentious, borderline and totally F1

I work in the auto field, non racing, and i assure you i can get fired tomorrow for 0.1mm . A tollerabile difference would be 0.001 MayBe 0.01, if the chief Is Happy 0.05

Imagine what happens in the racing department

Yeah your are going to be fired because you didnt check your instruments right!
But a toleranace is a tolerance! As long as it is within the rules!

Remember flexi-wings?!
And the Williams flexi-splitter!

I don't work with mechanical instruments. I design car parts for a famous german brand.

And I am not talking about production tollerance that Is 0.1, but design tollerance. That Is theoretically 0.001 but practically as i said 0.05 . 0.5 Is enormous. Sometimes a whole piece Is 0. 8 thick. This makes a 0. 4 change having 50 percentage effect on a mechanical component. That would be not ok even not in racing.

0.4 mm has a mechanical balance effect. An aero balance effect and so on. You can build gains from those changes.

By the way my idea Is that It doesnt matter how much negligible the secundary effect Is

It s the primary One that Is against the rules, cause It changes a non changeable parameter. The Toe. If they open the Toe as changeable in races they Will make the car much less stable on straights with risks during overtakes and rainy moments.

The secundary positive effects are nothing compared to these risks. My opinion

[godlameroso]

I still can't believe how much fuss people make over a gimmick.

Tell that to Red Bull. Sure doesn't make sense to pay your lawyers to analyze a gimmick. Doesn't make much sense to threaten to protest over a gimmick, either.

You mean the brake ducts? Protesting something is relatively low cost. You're going to pay your lawyers regardless, might as well put them to work.

[mmred]

cmon it's gorgeous! it can do mysterious things, cool the tyres, get rid of those inner shoulder blisters, raise the front ride height a bit (12 degrees of steering can drop it by 5mm so 1 degree of toe in can raise it by .4mm if it's linear) AND we can see it

PLUS it's contentious, borderline and totally F1

I work in the auto field, non racing, and i assure you i can get fired tomorrow for 0.1mm . A tollerabile difference would be 0.001 MayBe 0.01, if the chief Is Happy 0.05

Imagine what happens in the racing department

mm or degrees?

I am talking of mm cause we re comparing heights here.
Degrees usually are designed with whole numbers if there s not a minor design tollerance in mm connected
But again mine are not racing tollerances and not on highly functional mechanical parts, as suspensions and so on

We can accept 5mm tollerance as ok for the rules but the fact Is they are ok but not without positive effects. My whole statement here was this


But as i said before this Is Just a secundary effect

[Just_a_fan]

The drivers head and the wheels aren't aero devices thus don't matter if they are moving.

And thus the DAS system is not aero related.

Also worth noting that Merc argue the steering wheel is being used to adjust the wheels, when it actual fact it's the steering column that looks to be moving and be the key player in the system.

The steering wheel is definitely moving. That's how it was first found out, after all. The wheel is moved fore and aft.