COVID-19 could affect more races this year.

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foxmulder_ms wrote:
12 Mar 2020, 18:23
It doesn't work that way. Rare variances (mutations) are not readily detectable with sequencing "resolution" we have or simply the sequenced sample of virus will not have all the variations in the whole species. So, no, most of the time you cannot detect mutation which may become dominant later. Also the key is every time virus synthesized there are new mutations. It is very fluid.
Exactly yeah. For general interest there is an overview of what's going on with 'mutations' here, at least clarifying the absolute variation is thus far small, and getting some baseline of the rate of normally acquired random mutation. https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/03 ... rinterpret

Incidentally, have you seen / can you recommend a more recent and comprehensive bioinformatic analysis on bioarxiv?
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The season was already scheduled to be the longest ever at 22 races, take 3 out and we still got 19 like 2015, take 5 out and we still got 17 like 2009.

You could already see drivers were uncomfortable being there.

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The only person in thevwhole of f1 thats happy about this is Danny Ricc, he gets a free holiday back home....
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Sieper wrote:
12 Mar 2020, 18:12
If we would not know about the current mutation, would we be any wiser? The whole world is going in lock down. Until when? Until every business is bankrupt, everybody is unemployed and all systems have fallen over?

Governments have no interest in intentionally tanking economies. Economic downturns usually result in new governments. However, failure to act decisively in the face of a health emergency would be far worse for their future incumbency, so economics go out the window.

Evidence suggests acting earlier, and more aggressively, leads to better long term outcomes with respect to curbing the spread, ultimately minimizing patient mortality.

When case values are low, it really doesn't present much of a problem; "low" meaning 10's of cases. Contact tracing of individuals in these circumstances remains feasible, outbreaks can be contained, community transmission prevented, treatment can be provided for everyone most severely affected, and death rates are low.

When case values spike, they can quickly overwhelm the medical response. Victims have to be triaged, and those in worst health simply cannot receive the treatment they may otherwise have been afforded. It also becomes much more difficult to contain and contact trace when dealing with 1000's of cases. You no longer have the ability to control the outcome, and exponentiation of cases becomes more likely to continue into the 10,000's (e.g. Italy and Iran; China).

Bear in mind that there are physical upper limits with respect to the numbers of trained medical professionals, hospital beds, ICU facilities, and stocks of medical supplies. Case spikes have the potential to exhaust these resources quickly, as has happened in parts of Italy. When this happens, patient outcomes are far worse.

Restricting unnecessary interaction, self-isolating where possible, and practicing good hygiene are really the only effective mechanisms available to individuals. Human behavior, whether enforced by governments or by individuals themselves, will prove to be the differentiator with respect to how the growth in infections proceeds. Failure to acknowledge this will simply exacerbate an already alarming situation.

Here are a couple of links worth watching. Don't pay attention to the headlines, as they are sensationalist, but do listen to what is said.



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foxmulder_ms wrote:
nzjrs wrote:
12 Mar 2020, 17:51
Just_a_fan wrote:
12 Mar 2020, 17:46
If it mutates then the vaccine might also be ineffective. That's why the "ordinary" seasonal flu each year has to be characterised and a vaccine produced each time.
Mutation is a bit of a movie word. If you want to visualize the already existing variance 'aka mutations' between the currently sequenced strains of the virus you can do so here. https://nextstrain.org/ncov
It doesn't work that way. Rare variances (mutations) are not readily detectable with sequencing "resolution" we have or simply the sequenced sample of virus will not have all the variations in the whole species. So, no, most of the time you cannot detect mutation which may become dominant later. Also the key is every time virus synthesized there are new mutations. It is very fluid.



by the by, if 6/7 races are cancelled, does the championship become a "non championship"? Like if we have less than half the laps -> half points are rewarded??
The Championship will be valid if there are 8 or more races run... So they can cancel up to 14 races this season and it will still be valid.


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Italys numbers are in:

Total cases: 15'113 [up +2'651 since yesterday], Fatalities: 1'016 [up +189 since yesterday]. CFR now at 6.7%. Obviously neglecting that many are probably no longer tested and many deaths are probably due to the inability to help everyone who needs help.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
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Spain +31 deaths on 3000 cases, they could have a bigger problem.

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NL_Fer wrote:
12 Mar 2020, 20:01
Spain +31 deaths on 3000 cases, they could have a bigger problem.
That's a 1%.

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Team can start fully focus on 2021. This season seems to be worthless.

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NL_Fer wrote:
12 Mar 2020, 20:01
Spain +31 deaths on 3000 cases, they could have a bigger problem.
I know it is nit picking, but that is Reported cases. the % could well be much lower.
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As things stand the situation is only going to get worse for some months! More and more people are going to get infected and more and more will die as there are so many out there that don't even know they are infected!

So i don't expect any of the races to go ahead since Australia which isn't in such a bad situation like EU and China! Even USA has way more infections than Australia and even Netherlands which is way smaller than Australia has more infections! So the season won't get under way until the Corona virus thing is over...maybe after the summer when the high temperatures will help calm the situation a bit!

It's a pity as Australia, Bahrain and even Vietnam (only 39 infections...if true though) was a chance to get the season under way on schedule because all these countries have much less infections for the time being...unlike EU countries! Even IMSA and Indycar have cancelled races! So the 2020 season may start mid or end of summer after all... :?
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AMG.Tzan wrote:
12 Mar 2020, 21:05
As things stand the situation is only going to get worse for some months! More and more people are going to get infected and more and more will die as there are so many out there that don't even know they are infected!

So i don't expect any of the races to go ahead since Australia which isn't in such a bad situation like EU and China! Even USA has way more infections than Australia and even Netherlands which is way smaller than Australia has more infections! So the season won't get under way until the Corona virus thing is over...maybe after the summer when the high temperatures will help calm the situation a bit!

It's a pity as Australia, Bahrain and even Vietnam (only 39 infections...if true though) was a chance to get the season under way on schedule because all these countries have much less infections for the time being...unlike EU countries! Even IMSA and Indycar have cancelled races! So the 2020 season may start mid or end of summer after all... :?
on the other hand, the teams have to go somewhere now, unless they just set up in Melbourne for a few weeks. Where can they go? They have to cluster together in aeroplanes with recirculating air, and fly somewhere. Why not Bahrain? It's safer than back to Europe and them all dispersing to their families with whatever they've caught.

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Big Tea wrote:
12 Mar 2020, 21:04
NL_Fer wrote:
12 Mar 2020, 20:01
Spain +31 deaths on 3000 cases, they could have a bigger problem.
I know it is nit picking, but that is Reported cases. the % could well be much lower.
That is what I am trying to say. The increase of reported cases is 781, 31 deaths is not proportional for that amount of infections. Infection rate must be higher.

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Seeing as how my post answering certain insulting comments disappeared, I will just say that I didn't comingle measles and COVID it was the head of the W.H.O. that did. :evil:
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Bahrain is most definitely also off, innit?