Will Schumacher's Race Win and WDC records be broken?

[Wass85]

Corrected your statement there.

So basically you're saying it's just the car?

No one can win anything with the car parked on the grass. Doesn't matter who they are.

How many times was it actually parked on the grass in 2016 though?

[Wass85]

Listen, Schumacher coulda, woulda, shoulda had another title or two.

Let's not pretend Hamilton is the only one that could have added to his already impressive tally.

[GPR-A]

Nico was extremely self-motivated and tough over his last two seasons, to the point of being an @sshole on track, but that's what's required to win a World Championship against Lewis in an equal car, along with loads of reliability issues for Lewis' car.

Corrected your statement there.

So basically you're saying it's just the car?

On the other hand I doubt you will say the same for Lewis' titles?

It's always the car! Nobody, I repeat Nobody, can drive beyond a car's capabilities, unless it's Maldonado.

Great drivers come close to exploiting 100% of the car, almost every time, even when the car is difficult to drive.
Good drivers comes close to exploiting 100% of the car, when it's smooth to drive.

Lewis belongs to the first category, so does a few other legendary drivers.

Nico never competed with Lewis on equal terms, purely from a reliability perspective! When he did, like in 2015, he was routed.

[Just_a_fan]

So basically you're saying it's just the car?

No one can win anything with the car parked on the grass. Doesn't matter who they are.

How many times was it actually parked on the grass in 2016 though?

Rosberg 1 1 1 1 Ret 7 5 1 4 3 2 4 1 1 1 3 1 2 2 2 2 385
Hamilton 2 3 7 2 Ret 1 1 5 1 1 1 1 3 2 3 Ret 3 1 1 1 1 380
Hamilton had one more "parked on the grass" than Rosberg did. And that was from the lead so that's 25 points lost. The other one is when they came together so that didn't affect the final result.

Look at the rest of the season. Both had a 7th and a 5th. But Rosberg had two 4th places where Hamilton was on the podium for all the rest. Remove the engine failure in Malaysia and Hamilton's the champion. The idea that Rosberg somehow beat Hamilton by being better for the whole season is a myth. It came down to luck. And that's OK, but don't try to make out that Hamilton "had a bad season" in 2016. It's simply not true.

The season absolutely was decided by the extra breakdown.

[Hammer44]

So basically you're saying it's just the car?

On the other hand I doubt you will say the same for Lewis' titles?

Rosberg only won because Hamilton suffered many reliability issues simple as that. Everyone knows that you don't rate Hamilton so stop posting nonsense that make you look like an idiot.

What about those weekends that he fluffed when his car didn't have issues you idiot?

Always trying to say something negative against Hamilton. When his car didn't have issues he won you dumbass. Almost every weekend his car had some issues while Rosberg had none. Hamilton would have won the championship easily with 50 points clear or more if they had equal reliability but Mercedes had other priorities. It's obvious that Mercedes wanted Rosberg to be champion. After that season Hamilton never had start issues and only had 1 engine failure in Austria 2018 lol. Mercedes tried everything to give Rosberg the championship on a silver plate and almost bottle it. Anyway Mercedes left 2016 red-faced when Rosberg decided to quit and so they had to apologize to Hamilton for what they did to him that season.

[sosic2121]

No one can win anything with the car parked on the grass. Doesn't matter who they are.

How many times was it actually parked on the grass in 2016 though?

Rosberg 1 1 1 1 Ret 7 5 1 4 3 2 4 1 1 1 3 1 2 2 2 2 385
Hamilton 2 3 7 2 Ret 1 1 5 1 1 1 1 3 2 3 Ret 3 1 1 1 1 380
Hamilton had one more "parked on the grass" than Rosberg did. And that was from the lead so that's 25 points lost. The other one is when they came together so that didn't affect the final result.

Look at the rest of the season. Both had a 7th and a 5th. But Rosberg had two 4th places where Hamilton was on the podium for all the rest. Remove the engine failure in Malaysia and Hamilton's the champion. The idea that Rosberg somehow beat Hamilton by being better for the whole season is a myth. It came down to luck. And that's OK, but don't try to make out that Hamilton "had a bad season" in 2016. It's simply not true.

The season absolutely was decided by the extra breakdown.

You forgot that from that point on Nico drove to P2, and that also influenced the final result.
Also, there was a team order in Monaco...

[Hammer44]

How many times was it actually parked on the grass in 2016 though?

Rosberg 1 1 1 1 Ret 7 5 1 4 3 2 4 1 1 1 3 1 2 2 2 2 385
Hamilton 2 3 7 2 Ret 1 1 5 1 1 1 1 3 2 3 Ret 3 1 1 1 1 380
Hamilton had one more "parked on the grass" than Rosberg did. And that was from the lead so that's 25 points lost. The other one is when they came together so that didn't affect the final result.

Look at the rest of the season. Both had a 7th and a 5th. But Rosberg had two 4th places where Hamilton was on the podium for all the rest. Remove the engine failure in Malaysia and Hamilton's the champion. The idea that Rosberg somehow beat Hamilton by being better for the whole season is a myth. It came down to luck. And that's OK, but don't try to make out that Hamilton "had a bad season" in 2016. It's simply not true.

The season absolutely was decided by the extra breakdown.

You forgot that from that point on Nico drove to P2, and that also influenced the final result.
Also, there was a team order in Monaco...

There was a team order in Monaco because Rosberg was so slow that he made that Mercedes look like a Minardi barely finishing in top 10.

[Just_a_fan]

Listen, Schumacher coulda, woulda, shoulda had another title or two.

Let's not pretend Hamilton is the only one that could have added to his already impressive tally.

That's true, many drivers could have had more titles. Not sure anyone is claiming otherwise, are they?

If the FIA hadn't changed the tyre rules at the end of 2004, Alonso might never have won a title because Schuie might have won in 2005 and 2006 instead giving him 9 titles in total. No Alonso titles meant he didn't go to McLaren. Maybe Hamilton would have won his rookie year without the fallout from the Alonso/Dennis situation. Maybe he wouldn't have.

Think about this: Senna doesn't die in Imola but goes on to win the title in 94. Now he's a 4-time champion. Then in 95 he manages to beat Schmacher to the title again. Suddenly, Senna is the new Fangio and the Schumacher is looking around at where to go next as a very good driver with no titles to his name. Would that have happened if Imola wasn't fatal? We can't know, but it's possible.

Or Mansell doesn't have his puncture in Adelaide '86 and retires as a double world champion instead of one of the single title champions. Or Lauda doesn't suffer in his Nurburgring crash and ends up with 4 titles (or more). Or...

Many things are outwith the driver's control. Chance plays a part in many situations. All they can do is do the best with what they have on the day.

[Just_a_fan]

How many times was it actually parked on the grass in 2016 though?

Rosberg 1 1 1 1 Ret 7 5 1 4 3 2 4 1 1 1 3 1 2 2 2 2 385
Hamilton 2 3 7 2 Ret 1 1 5 1 1 1 1 3 2 3 Ret 3 1 1 1 1 380
Hamilton had one more "parked on the grass" than Rosberg did. And that was from the lead so that's 25 points lost. The other one is when they came together so that didn't affect the final result.

Look at the rest of the season. Both had a 7th and a 5th. But Rosberg had two 4th places where Hamilton was on the podium for all the rest. Remove the engine failure in Malaysia and Hamilton's the champion. The idea that Rosberg somehow beat Hamilton by being better for the whole season is a myth. It came down to luck. And that's OK, but don't try to make out that Hamilton "had a bad season" in 2016. It's simply not true.

The season absolutely was decided by the extra breakdown.

You forgot that from that point on Nico drove to P2, and that also influenced the final result.
Also, there was a team order in Monaco...

Would he have won enough of the final four races to overcome the 20 point lead Hamilton would have otherwise had?

In Monaco, Rosberg was just slow and the team needed maximum points they could get to help with the manufacturer's title. If that had been after the team had secured that, I reckon they'd have left them to it on track.

[Wass85]

Rosberg only won because Hamilton suffered many reliability issues simple as that. Everyone knows that you don't rate Hamilton so stop posting nonsense that make you look like an idiot.

What about those weekends that he fluffed when his car didn't have issues you idiot?

Always trying to say something negative against Hamilton. When his car didn't have issues he won you dumbass. Almost every weekend his car had some issues while Rosberg had none. Hamilton would have won the championship easily with 50 points clear or more if they had equal reliability but Mercedes had other priorities. It's obvious that Mercedes wanted Rosberg to be champion. After that season Hamilton never had start issues and only had 1 engine failure in Austria 2018 lol. Mercedes tried everything to give Rosberg the championship on a silver plate and almost bottle it. Anyway Mercedes left 2016 red-faced when Rosberg decided to quit and so they had to apologize to Hamilton for what they did to him that season.

You call me the dumbass and then accuse Mercedes of favouring Hamilton when Monaco shows who the real dumbass is.

Yes Hamilton drove better than Rosberg for many races but he also had some very poor races in which he fluffed the starts.

[Wass85]

Rosberg 1 1 1 1 Ret 7 5 1 4 3 2 4 1 1 1 3 1 2 2 2 2 385
Hamilton 2 3 7 2 Ret 1 1 5 1 1 1 1 3 2 3 Ret 3 1 1 1 1 380
Hamilton had one more "parked on the grass" than Rosberg did. And that was from the lead so that's 25 points lost. The other one is when they came together so that didn't affect the final result.

Look at the rest of the season. Both had a 7th and a 5th. But Rosberg had two 4th places where Hamilton was on the podium for all the rest. Remove the engine failure in Malaysia and Hamilton's the champion. The idea that Rosberg somehow beat Hamilton by being better for the whole season is a myth. It came down to luck. And that's OK, but don't try to make out that Hamilton "had a bad season" in 2016. It's simply not true.

The season absolutely was decided by the extra breakdown.

You forgot that from that point on Nico drove to P2, and that also influenced the final result.
Also, there was a team order in Monaco...

Would he have won enough of the final four races to overcome the 20 point lead Hamilton would have otherwise had?

In Monaco, Rosberg was just slow and the team needed maximum points they could get to help with the manufacturer's title. If that had been after the team had secured that, I reckon they'd have left them to it on track.

Yep which emphasizes my points even more, Hamilton had plenty of opportunities to outdrive Rosberg in the races where he was given a fair shake. He squandered too many of those opportunities in 2016, be that with poor starts, errors or getting outpaced.

[Just_a_fan]

You forgot that from that point on Nico drove to P2, and that also influenced the final result.
Also, there was a team order in Monaco...

Would he have won enough of the final four races to overcome the 20 point lead Hamilton would have otherwise had?

In Monaco, Rosberg was just slow and the team needed maximum points they could get to help with the manufacturer's title. If that had been after the team had secured that, I reckon they'd have left them to it on track.

Yep which emphasizes my points even more, Hamilton had plenty of opportunities to outdrive Rosberg in the races where he was given a fair shake. He squandered too many of those opportunities in 2016, be that with poor starts, errors or getting outpaced.

I'm not sure it does emphasise your point at all, frankly.

[Wass85]

Would he have won enough of the final four races to overcome the 20 point lead Hamilton would have otherwise had?

In Monaco, Rosberg was just slow and the team needed maximum points they could get to help with the manufacturer's title. If that had been after the team had secured that, I reckon they'd have left them to it on track.

Yep which emphasizes my points even more, Hamilton had plenty of opportunities to outdrive Rosberg in the races where he was given a fair shake. He squandered too many of those opportunities in 2016, be that with poor starts, errors or getting outpaced.

I'm not sure it does emphasise your point at all, frankly.

Put his problems to one side. What about those races where didn't have problems and failed to capitalise?

[Just_a_fan]

Yep which emphasizes my points even more, Hamilton had plenty of opportunities to outdrive Rosberg in the races where he was given a fair shake. He squandered too many of those opportunities in 2016, be that with poor starts, errors or getting outpaced.

I'm not sure it does emphasise your point at all, frankly.

Put his problems to one side. What about those races where didn't have problems and failed to capitalise?

Were there more or fewer of those than for Rosberg?

[izzy]

somebody seems to have forgotten in all the excitement that he's supposed to be a Lewis fan honestly

but obviously nobody drove a perfect season then or ever. Lewis had bad starts in Monza and Suzuka, rosberg had one in Hockenheim. The Mercedes clutch was a bit of a lashup that year.

The season started for Lewis with being put off by rosberg, being punted by Valtteri, ERS fail in Q1, ERS fail in Q3 plus a water leak, and being taken out by rosberg with an overlap. Then there was a faulty engine mode in Baku and starting at the back in Spa after a PU change, a hydraulics fault spoiling FP2 setup in Singapore and then the blown engine in the lead in Sepang

so calling his teammate lucky is a massive understatement!! no wonder he quickly retired cos that lot was never going to happen again in a million years