COVID-19 could affect more races this year.

[turbof1]

I didn't mean to necessarily kick of too much of a country comparison, the NYC numbers just surprised me honestly.

They are horrifying, but not surprising. NYC has a very high population density. A lot of the people travel with the train/metro. Streets usually are packed with people. There was always a high risk of mass infection.

[nzjrs]

I just realised today ~0.1% of New York City has died of COVID. Put another way, ~1 out of 1000 people in NYC has died of COVID.

Sadly it’s approaching 0.1% of New York State, population 20million. I don’t think NYC is reported separately, but with a much higher population density for its 10 million inhabitants than the rest of the state I would expect NYC to be higher than 0.1%. And like almost all reporting agencies this will be an underestimate not including those outside of hospitals and other medical establishments. This shows that when it takes hold the virus is extremely dangerous and measures to relax social distancing in the future will need to be very carefully monitored so that we can lock down again if there are flare ups c

This is a subject of debate, WHO is yet to clarify which death it to be exactly contributed to COVID-19 so I would take this numbers with a grain of salt.... When you have health issues, when you are chronically ill for years, a seasonal flue or a cold can cause your entire immunity to crash and then unfortunately you can die as a result of the same since your body can not longer fight...

I want to know (if possible) how many healthy men have passed away due to COVID-19, how many people have died who previously had no bad health history....

All you really need to do is make a broad enough comparison across a basket of other causes of death which hold those comorbididies constant on average. There have been a couple of nice visualizations of this, this one is quite striking (but does have problems like all)

https://public.flourish.studio/visualisation/1712761/

So for all the noise sources you bring up, the signal remains strong

[Big Tea]

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Hmm. I was looking at the recory rates of different countries to get some idea of the combination of virulence and level of treatment. It seems certainly that countries like Germany and China are good place to get hospitalized if you have Covid-19. Both countries had moderate recovery rates during the early spread of the virus, then therafter either the level of virulence has gone down or the doctors got better at treating the paitients. They have recovery rates above 90%!!

It could of course be influenced by hoe the figures are taken. Back to our old bone of died OF Covid19 or died WITH Covid 19. It must be easy to dump anyone in the died of Covid 19 bucket when staff are so pushed.

(also for sosic2121)

[RZS10]

Sadly it’s approaching 0.1% of New York State, population 20million. I don’t think NYC is reported separately, but with a much higher population density for its 10 million inhabitants than the rest of the state I would expect NYC to be higher than 0.1%. And like almost all reporting agencies this will be an underestimate not including those outside of hospitals and other medical establishments.

NY State and City do report seperately, NYS reports the numbers as they come (including nursing homes etc) whereas NYC distributes the deaths towards the days they happened, not when they were reported, they also count "probable" deaths that weren't confirmed by a test.

Because the state does NOT count the probable deaths they have an official total of 13869 compared to NYC's 13240 (8811 confirmed and 4429 probable), if you were to include the probable from NYC to NY State and account for the difference in reported deaths it's 17087, don't know whether that is applicable though.

That means 878/1m NY State and 1576/1m NYC or 0.088% and 1.576% ... State without City is 0.027%

New York is probably a good example for the role population density plays but also for how different agencies handle the numbers, definitions and reporting in general, even within one country and within one state.

So yea ... pretty much everyone's numbers will be skewed in some way or another, the current ones are more of an indicator of the current situation than anything else.

btw ... sources
NY State tracker and NY City data within the tracker there's 'fatality data' on the bottom right, and then another click away is the data for nursing homes (top left-to-mid area)

I heard that in UK number of dead is actually 50% higher than official number.

That's probably exaggerated ... a week ago some articles claimed 10% (unless one counts some clickbait), now it's 4040 not included to 16060 which means 25% more.

[Big Tea]

While we are discussing the horror part of it, the second part of this short vid is worth watching. IT was good information to me as it describes the way of passing, which does not seem as horrific as I imagined. (but still unwanted)




I must once again apologise for persistently posting links to this channel and reiterate I have no connection at all with it other than I watch it most days as it is 'short and simple' and easy to absorb while doing other things.

[TAG]

When someone with high blood pressure or heart disease, or diabetes or stage 4 cancer is crossing the street, gets hit by a bus and dies. The death certificate lists accident as the reason of death. If it's COVID-19 that pushes you over the edge, it's a COVID-19 death.

[PlatinumZealot]

When someone with high blood pressure or heart disease, or diabetes or stage 4 cancer is crossing the street, gets hit by a bus and dies. The death certificate lists accident as the reason of death. If it's COVID-19 that pushes you over the edge, it's a COVID-19 death.

Yup. If someone near you with COVID-19 coughs and you panic run into traffic and get killed.... It's a corona death!

[cooken]

And here is a crazy idea for tracks with a "short" and a "long" layout, like Silverstone and potentially that version of Montmelo: Have a 60 lap race where all cars must do 30 laps of the short track and 30 laps of the long track, and leave it to the teams to decide which lap is on which circuit, even on the fly. That way overtaking is possible even in mickey-mouse tracks. Fake overtaking, like a pit stop pass, of course, but it could provide something different for multiple races in the same track and it could be entertaining until teams optimize the last drop our of the concept.

I think this has a high probability of resulting in a spectacularly horrific crash at one of the merge locations...?

[hollus]

I don't know. Pit lanes seem to work somehow. Mostly anyways.

[Just_a_fan]

And here is a crazy idea for tracks with a "short" and a "long" layout, like Silverstone and potentially that version of Montmelo: Have a 60 lap race where all cars must do 30 laps of the short track and 30 laps of the long track, and leave it to the teams to decide which lap is on which circuit, even on the fly. That way overtaking is possible even in mickey-mouse tracks. Fake overtaking, like a pit stop pass, of course, but it could provide something different for multiple races in the same track and it could be entertaining until teams optimize the last drop our of the concept.

I think this has a high probability of resulting in a spectacularly horrific crash at one of the merge locations...?

Not sure about other circuits, but it could be done at Silverstone with a bit of thought - perhaps a line of TekPro barriers to form a merge, that sort of thing. The layouts at Silverstone do facilitate the idea quite well as the directions of travel are the same approaching the likely merge points. Some circuits would possibly need some careful track adjustments that might be difficult to do in a short time period.

[etusch]

When someone with high blood pressure or heart disease, or diabetes or stage 4 cancer is crossing the street, gets hit by a bus and dies. The death certificate lists accident as the reason of death. If it's COVID-19 that pushes you over the edge, it's a COVID-19 death.

Yup. If someone near you with COVID-19 coughs and you panic run into traffic and get killed.... It's a corona death!

I remembered vazo sciene from matrix which is a bit later than spoon which is there isn't in reality.
this is so meaningful comment

[Zynerji]

I didn't mean to necessarily kick of too much of a country comparison, the NYC numbers just surprised me honestly.

They are horrifying, but not surprising. NYC has a very high population density. A lot of the people travel with the train/metro. Streets usually are packed with people. There was always a high risk of mass infection.

This sounds promising.



Today's early numbers looking better as well.

[LM10]

Do all teams need to accept the option of 2 consecutive races at the same track? As every track, Silverstone will suit certain cars more than others and I guess some teams won't be happy with that.

So long as there is sufficient variation in which tracks they use, some double headers would be fair between teams. Do Ferrari get to veto the tracks they don't like?

Let's see what mighty Ferrari will do.

[TAG]

When someone with high blood pressure or heart disease, or diabetes or stage 4 cancer is crossing the street, gets hit by a bus and dies. The death certificate lists accident as the reason of death. If it's COVID-19 that pushes you over the edge, it's a COVID-19 death.

Yup. If someone near you with COVID-19 coughs and you panic run into traffic and get killed.... It's a corona death!

What a conundrum that!

[Capharol]

I didn't mean to necessarily kick of too much of a country comparison, the NYC numbers just surprised me honestly.

They are horrifying, but not surprising. NYC has a very high population density. A lot of the people travel with the train/metro. Streets usually are packed with people. There was always a high risk of mass infection.

This sounds promising.



Today's early numbers looking better as well.

in Germany they were at a rate of 0,7 let see how it is in 2 weeks after they have opened some shops (till 800m²)