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It was written in the stars, or rather the rumourmill, and today, Renault F1 has confirmed that Fernando Alonso will return to the team with which he won his two F1 World Championships with.
I personally think the Mclaren seat is the one to have if you can't get in the top 3 teams. Excellent organizational structure now and seem perfectly adapted already to functioning within the budget restrictions that are about to come.
Berger had plenty more than 2 wins when he joined Alesi at Ferrari, at a guess I'd say as many as 10. So it would have been 1992, when they used 3 drivers in total. 2 of which never ever won a race, and the 3rd only won 1 race 3yrs later. So in 1992 they fielded 2 cars with 0 wins. Alesi, Capelli and Larini
Both had Equal amount of retirements at the end of the season. Vettel had more quali related difficulties. Leclerc made several mistakes too during the season. Vettel was better or at least Equal in Singapore and Russia. Discounting races like Suzuka and Mexico where Vettel was better certainly aids your argument. Fact is, Vettel was more consistent at the start of the year in tyre management, but Leclerc got the better results more often. Once the car started performing Vettel started producing better results too. It wasn't the domination you want it to be.ENGINE TUNER wrote: ↑13 May 2020, 13:15Who was clearly better in Bahrain? France? Austria? Silverstone? Spa? Monza? Singapore? Russia? And several others. Do you people watch the points table or the races? LEC was much better, made less mistakes AND suffered more from reliability/Ferrari mistakes. It was complete DOMINATION. A domination that we haven't seen a multi wdc driver suffer since RIC DOMINATED Vettel in 2014. Stop looking at silly points table and watch the races. Vettel got his pants pulled down and his backside spanked by a 2nd year driver.
Wow. Just wow. So you "respectfully disagree" then.ENGINE TUNER wrote: ↑13 May 2020, 12:32If you watched 2019 and think VET and LEC are"in same level" then you should stop watching F1, because you are wasting your time watching something that you don't understand.
Well, I would call that anything but respectful.hudnut wrote: ↑13 May 2020, 14:38Wow. Just wow. So you "respectfully disagree" then.ENGINE TUNER wrote: ↑13 May 2020, 12:32If you watched 2019 and think VET and LEC are"in same level" then you should stop watching F1, because you are wasting your time watching something that you don't understand.
Yeah. Definitely was a factor in negotiations the huge pile of money Vettel took over the years.
It would be good to see Vettel at Mercedes, fighting with Hamilton with the same machinery.“Sebastian is a great driver, a major personality and an asset to any Formula 1 team,” said Wolff, in quotes provided by Mercedes.
The Austrian is currently in negotiations with six times world champion Lewis Hamilton over a new deal.
“When looking to the future, our first loyalty lies with the current Mercedes drivers but naturally we must take this development into consideration.”
I think that here is the big difference; They both had good results, bad results and made mistakes. Their seasons were relatively equal in that regard.Mamba wrote: ↑13 May 2020, 14:36What Leclerc has in his favour is he is young and can learn from mistakes. He has shown himself capable of that and in wheel to wheel action. He has time and will only improve. Vettel never really seemed to adjust to a car that isn't planted at the rear. He is older and less willing or capable to adjust to a new way of driving (why should he, he got four titles that way but the Hybrids handle differently...).
Some people here (not calling any names..Scorpaguy wrote: ↑13 May 2020, 15:46If cooler heads could prevail, I would suspect that data would support the conclusion that Vet and Lec, while not equal (no 2 humans are identical), are peers in terms of driver skill. For some reason, Vet gets smashed in these forums for being a crash happy no-talent fool and Lec being the second coming. 24 points separated them in one season of equal equipment. A significant difference but not a capitol offence. Vettel crashes...yes. Lec crashes as well (search "Monaco"). Rain masters...neither of them! As for Vet's departure, no suspense there...simply a euro based decision in hard times on one side and an unhappy driver on the other side. Only one outcome could be expected.
) just seem to really, really dislike Vettel, and as such blow any mistake he made in the past years out of proportion and act like it's the indisputable truth and you are a waste of good oxygen if you don't agree. Every driver has their groupies and haters, I guess. But in my opinion, in no circumstance does having 4 world titles make you a poor driver - and winning Monza in a toro rosso might not make you a rain master, it certainly speaks of some skill. I think a more reasonable assessment of the situation, that has been put forward here before, is that he just couldn't deal with the current generation of cars (in particular behavior of the back end) to the full extent, and hence has indeed struggled keeping up with Leclerc and Ricciardo - whilst in the previous generation he would dominate teammates. That doesn't make him a terrible driver as some claim - when he had a good day in these cars, he would still be really quick and deserving of the Ferrari seat. But yeah, it also led to some poor, mistake-riddled races. I would love too but I'm afraid the novelty would wear off pretty fast after he gets quickly dominated by Hamilton. It might actually seem pityful the once amazing Vettel getting pummelled constantly. Not to mention he and Lewis are good pals too, so it would be another friendship destroyed.GPR-A wrote: ↑13 May 2020, 16:40WOLFF: WE CANNOT IGNORE THIS DEVELOPMENT WITH VETTEL
It would be good to see Vettel at Mercedes, fighting with Hamilton with the same machinery.“Sebastian is a great driver, a major personality and an asset to any Formula 1 team,” said Wolff, in quotes provided by Mercedes.
The Austrian is currently in negotiations with six times world champion Lewis Hamilton over a new deal.
“When looking to the future, our first loyalty lies with the current Mercedes drivers but naturally we must take this development into consideration.”
Yes. My fear then would be Seb 'takes it personal' and is more concerned with his fight with Lewis than getting the best result. We saw Seb with a red mist a couple of times, and I dont know Toto would really consider him after thinking it through. That aside, I would like it to be.PlatinumZealot wrote: ↑13 May 2020, 17:01I would love too but I'm afraid the novelty would wear off pretty fast after he gets quickly dominated by Hamilton. It might actually seem pityful the once amazing Vettel getting pummelled constantly. Not to mention he and Lewis are good pals too, so it would be another friendship destroyed.GPR-A wrote: ↑13 May 2020, 16:40WOLFF: WE CANNOT IGNORE THIS DEVELOPMENT WITH VETTEL
It would be good to see Vettel at Mercedes, fighting with Hamilton with the same machinery.“Sebastian is a great driver, a major personality and an asset to any Formula 1 team,” said Wolff, in quotes provided by Mercedes.
The Austrian is currently in negotiations with six times world champion Lewis Hamilton over a new deal.
“When looking to the future, our first loyalty lies with the current Mercedes drivers but naturally we must take this development into consideration.”
I have said this a few times and I repeat. When the car is to his liking, Vettel is on par with Hamilton. It's when the car is not to his comfort is when he gets outshone by Hamilton. We have seen a similar performance from Bottas when the car was good and stable, he outqualified Hamilton a few times. It was the same case with Nico too. When Mercedes has made divas that are difficult to setup and difficult to bring it to the sweet performance window, Hamilton outshines his team mates. It's a hallmark of a great driver, but things become even when the car is easy to manure.PlatinumZealot wrote: ↑13 May 2020, 17:01I would love too but I'm afraid the novelty would wear off pretty fast after he gets quickly dominated by Hamilton. It might actually seem pityful the once amazing Vettel getting pummelled constantly. Not to mention he and Lewis are good pals too, so it would be another friendship destroyed.GPR-A wrote: ↑13 May 2020, 16:40WOLFF: WE CANNOT IGNORE THIS DEVELOPMENT WITH VETTEL
It would be good to see Vettel at Mercedes, fighting with Hamilton with the same machinery.“Sebastian is a great driver, a major personality and an asset to any Formula 1 team,” said Wolff, in quotes provided by Mercedes.
The Austrian is currently in negotiations with six times world champion Lewis Hamilton over a new deal.
“When looking to the future, our first loyalty lies with the current Mercedes drivers but naturally we must take this development into consideration.”