Well, we will see how it'll work out as soon as Lewis no longer has a car that is 0.800secs faster in qualy or race.PlatinumZealot wrote: ↑17 Jun 2020, 00:18But with a driving style similar to what Hamilton has already, I think a polar opposite set of tools to what Hamilton has will be needed to overcome the lack of experience.
They had Newey in 2006-2009 and 2014-2019 too though. It wasn't RB's to lose then.
So if you have the best car designer, you are guaranteed of the World Championship?
Yeah so the designer on his own can't win in the Hybrid era, so Newey is in a way overrated, as he is beaten more often than not.
He's lost more often than he has won, but he wins significantly more than random chance dictates is likely. By the same logic, everyone would be a loser.NathanOlder wrote: ↑18 Jun 2020, 11:27Yeah so the designer on his own can't win in the Hybrid era, so Newey is in a way overrated, as he is beaten more often than not.
The next 5 pages will be about Monza 2008 now you said thatJust_a_fan wrote: ↑18 Jun 2020, 15:23The simple summary is that no one wins without a winning car. Sure, you can win the odd race because of circumstances, but no one wins titles without a good car. Anyone claiming that "X only wins/won because of the car" is missing the simple fact that no one wins titles in a bad car.
If Max wins the title it will be because he's in a good car with a team that is performing well. He then tops that off with his skill. Likewise Hamilton, etc.
Doing well in a bad car is a better indicator. If you don't have the best car and still perform then you're someone to watch. Several drivers match that description: Alonso, Hamilton, Verstappen. Sadly, I'm not sure Vettel does. Michael did, Senna did, Prost did etc.
Monza 2008 (I know, I knowJust_a_fan wrote: ↑18 Jun 2020, 15:23Doing well in a bad car is a better indicator. If you don't have the best car and still perform then you're someone to watch. Several drivers match that description: Alonso, Hamilton, Verstappen. Sadly, I'm not sure Vettel does. Michael did, Senna did, Prost did etc.
)? Youngest driver to win races for two different teams? His Championship battle with Button?
That fits in the "odd race because of circumstances", I'd say.NathanOlder wrote: ↑18 Jun 2020, 16:20The next 5 pages will be about Monza 2008 now you said thatJust_a_fan wrote: ↑18 Jun 2020, 15:23The simple summary is that no one wins without a winning car. Sure, you can win the odd race because of circumstances, but no one wins titles without a good car. Anyone claiming that "X only wins/won because of the car" is missing the simple fact that no one wins titles in a bad car.
If Max wins the title it will be because he's in a good car with a team that is performing well. He then tops that off with his skill. Likewise Hamilton, etc.
Doing well in a bad car is a better indicator. If you don't have the best car and still perform then you're someone to watch. Several drivers match that description: Alonso, Hamilton, Verstappen. Sadly, I'm not sure Vettel does. Michael did, Senna did, Prost did etc.
If he's in the running for a title against, say Leclerc or Hamilton, neither will give him the room that he's been given in the past. Hamilton has said that he's given Max room when around him because he's looking at the long game picture, not the single moment with Max, and he knows that Max is in the "I'm going to stick the car in and you either let me through or we crash" style. But if he and Max are fighting for the title, I think Hamilton will get much more elbows-out than he has been. We already know that Leclerc has decided to be that way as witnessed at Silverstone last year.Racer X wrote: ↑18 Jun 2020, 16:49I know i'm here late but if Verstappen has the car to win the Championship in 2020 he will. Hes an experienced driver hes not new he already had* his overly aggressive years. Now he knows his limit also hes experienced to where he know what the younger drivers will try and know how to approach the Veterans. Hes in that perfect phase now in my opinion.
The Mclarens of the 2000's were all based on his blueprints. I think the latter Ferraris too were also copies of his style some where along the way.. which Mclaren stole back again to refresh their memories lolNathanOlder wrote: ↑18 Jun 2020, 11:13Maybe Newey is now overrated ? 4 WCC titles in 20 YEARS!!!
He wont 6 in 8 years before the turn of the century.
Looking at the form,
80's - 0 titles, (I know he only just got properly in to F1 with March)
90's - 6 WCC , 6 WDC
00's - 0 titles.
10's - 4 WCC , 4 WDC
20's.... 0 titles ?
