Racing Point RP20

[PlatinumZealot]

So very direct steering. Sharp turn-in. Not gradual. Steering also more weighted despite being sharper. Likely geometry related... Hope he gets used to it.

[TimW]

In 2019, did RP use 2018 or 2019 spec Mercedes parts?

This year they are using 2019 spec parts. If they used 2018 spec parts last year, including brake ducts, they would not have had access to to the 2019 spec ducts to copy them. So if they had access, it was with the sole reason to copy them, and suddenly the Renault protest would stand a chance....

[Big Tea]

In 2019, did RP use 2018 or 2019 spec Mercedes parts?

This year they are using 2019 spec parts. If they used 2018 spec parts last year, including brake ducts, they would not have had access to to the 2019 spec ducts to copy them. So if they had access, it was with the sole reason to copy them, and suddenly the Renault protest would stand a chance....

But in 2019 they were allowed to copy them as they were not listed parts. If they made their 2020 ducts from the copy, I see then as ok. If they made them from, or still are, the original 2019 parts, they fall foul.

[TimW]

In 2019, did RP use 2018 or 2019 spec Mercedes parts?

This year they are using 2019 spec parts. If they used 2018 spec parts last year, including brake ducts, they would not have had access to to the 2019 spec ducts to copy them. So if they had access, it was with the sole reason to copy them, and suddenly the Renault protest would stand a chance....

But in 2019 they were allowed to copy them as they were not listed parts. If they made their 2020 ducts from the copy, I see then as ok. If they made them from, or still are, the original 2019 parts, they fall foul.

They are required to design 2020 parts themselves, without help from another manufacturer. Wonder if help from Mercedes, by suplying them 2019 parts, in 2019, to help them design their 2020 brake ducts (and not to run the parts in 2019 races), would infringe that.

[Big Tea]

In 2019, did RP use 2018 or 2019 spec Mercedes parts?

This year they are using 2019 spec parts. If they used 2018 spec parts last year, including brake ducts, they would not have had access to to the 2019 spec ducts to copy them. So if they had access, it was with the sole reason to copy them, and suddenly the Renault protest would stand a chance....

But in 2019 they were allowed to copy them as they were not listed parts. If they made their 2020 ducts from the copy, I see then as ok. If they made them from, or still are, the original 2019 parts, they fall foul.

They are required to design 2020 parts themselves, without help from another manufacturer. Wonder if help from Mercedes, by suplying them 2019 parts, in 2019, to help them design their 2020 brake ducts (and not to run the parts in 2019 races), would infringe that.

This is the bone of contention. It is their property, legally acquired. Are they entitled to copy something they legally own and is not under patent?

If you buy a shoe, can you replace the heel rubber ?

[SmallSoldier]

But in 2019 they were allowed to copy them as they were not listed parts. If they made their 2020 ducts from the copy, I see then as ok. If they made them from, or still are, the original 2019 parts, they fall foul.

They are required to design 2020 parts themselves, without help from another manufacturer. Wonder if help from Mercedes, by suplying them 2019 parts, in 2019, to help them design their 2020 brake ducts (and not to run the parts in 2019 races), would infringe that.

This is the bone of contention. It is their property, legally acquired. Are they entitled to copy something they legally own and is not under patent?

If you buy a shoe, can you replace the heel rubber ?

If the 2020 brake ducts are the same as the 2019 they bought (legally) from Mercedes, then the design wouldn’t be theirs (regardless of how they source them or for how long they owned them)... And the rule is clear that listed parts “have to be designed” by the teams.

This is why Haas is using a completely different arrangement in their brakes this season and not carrying over their 2019 design (which was purchase from Ferrari), they had to design new ones for 2020.


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[Big Tea]

They are required to design 2020 parts themselves, without help from another manufacturer. Wonder if help from Mercedes, by suplying them 2019 parts, in 2019, to help them design their 2020 brake ducts (and not to run the parts in 2019 races), would infringe that.

This is the bone of contention. It is their property, legally acquired. Are they entitled to copy something they legally own and is not under patent?

If you buy a shoe, can you replace the heel rubber ?

If the 2020 brake ducts are the same as the 2019 they bought (legally) from Mercedes, then the design wouldn’t be theirs (regardless of how they source them or for how long they owned them)... And the rule is clear that listed parts “have to be designed” by the teams.

This is why Haas is using a completely different arrangement in their brakes this season and not carrying over their 2019 design (which was purchase from Ferrari), they had to design new ones for 2020.


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This is the nub of the whole thing. I give up trying to second guess Fia, I have a bad record there so far.

[ScrewCaptain27]

This car has a S-Duct, which the W10 never had.

Via motorsport.com

[Emag]

It seems that Renault won the protest against RP. A total fine of 400k euros and 7.5 points per car deducted. I am assuming from this point onwards RP will have to use another set of brake ducts.

Should be interesting to see how much of a performance hinder this forced change will bring.

[tomazy]

This car has a S-Duct, which the W10 never had.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202008 ... 8534fa.jpg
Via motorsport.com

Are you sure?? This looks loke S-duct to me on W10.

[Mchamilton]

This car has a S-Duct, which the W10 never had.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202008 ... 8534fa.jpg
Via motorsport.com

Are you sure?? This looks loke S-duct to me on W10.

https://cdn-7.motorsport.com/images/mgl ... deta-1.jpg

a literally a carbon copy from top view

[ScrewCaptain27]

Oops. Never noticed it on the Mercedes.

[Morteza]

Racing Point testing a new [lower drag] rear wing (via @SomersF1)

[PlatinumZealot]

racing Point used different front brake ducts this year and evolution of the 2019 ones, and they were cleared for doing this, but they seemingly directly carried over the rear brake ducts from 2019, and this is what they got penalized by the Stewards for. I can see why they did it; the rear brake ducts are very complicated parts, and they flow structures are well established and understood, but the engineers were too comfortable not to develop the design and as resulat paid the price.

[holeindalip]

racing Point used different front brake ducts this year and evolution of the 2019 ones, and they were cleared for doing this, but they seemingly directly carried over the rear brake ducts from 2019, and this is what they got penalized by the Stewards for. I can see why they did it; the rear brake ducts are very complicated parts, and they flow structures are well established and understood, but the engineers were too comfortable not to develop the design and as resulat paid the price.

Didn’t Red Bull protest the rear brake ducts of the Mercedes and rp in Australia? I thought they modified them though so all of this is a bit strange....