2020 Belgian Grand Prix - Spa-Francorchamps, August 28 - 30

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Is the car scraping the ground almos all the time?

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Hamilton has been getting some great starts recently so he should be fine. And I would hazard a guess that they extra downforce will be better for the tyres as well.
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Will there be a big chunk of time lost for those with lower downforce if it does indeed become a wet race tomorrow?

Horner said on Friday there’s not as much of a difference these days- any thoughts?

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Mansell89 wrote:Will there be a big chunk of time lost for those with lower downforce if it does indeed become a wet race tomorrow?

Horner said on Friday there’s not as much of a difference these days- any thoughts?
It might be exacerbated if they struggle to get temps into the tyres. I imagine the difference will be similar to the dry, but being able to heat up the tyres will make a big difference.


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Mansell89 wrote:
29 Aug 2020, 23:06
Will there be a big chunk of time lost for those with lower downforce if it does indeed become a wet race tomorrow?

Horner said on Friday there’s not as much of a difference these days- any thoughts?
Apart from usual tyre grip benefits, just more protection from aquaplaning.
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ENGINE TUNER wrote:
29 Aug 2020, 18:46
JordanMugen wrote:
28 Aug 2020, 17:59
Big Tea wrote:
26 Aug 2020, 16:19
What if all the engine makers leave?
Cosworth V12 for everybody. =D>

They already built a nice 3.9L 65-degree V12 for Gordon Murray Automotive, with 653 @ 11,500rpm with 60,000 mile rebuild interval.

Put pneumatic valves on it, up the rev limit to make 1020hp @ 18,000rpm, lower the rebuild interval to 5,000 miles (obviously strengthening the bottom end as appropriate) and you have yourself a great racing engine. :D
A "great racing engine" that will consume 3x as much fuel as now requiring refueling which has already been proven to be detrimental to the on track product. All for what ? Loud annoying noise? No thanks.
I've recently found the Vortec 3700 L5 engine, and I'm in love.

DOHC finger-follower, 3.7L, VVT, flat-plane V10 sound, in a super compact block. If driven at 15000rpm, would give around 900HP.

I can't believe I overlooked such a plentiful and cheap Chevy engine before.

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Schuttelberg wrote:
29 Aug 2020, 13:56
Ferrari decided to sack Vettel. Fair enough, they should put whoever they like in the car. Someone that can get the job done.

To think of the basis that was provided to Binotto i.e the 2018 car and the place it is now, I don't see how he keeps his job?

Ferrari might be champions as early as 2022 with the mountain of resources and money they have and continue to get, but this is surely inexcusable?

I've heard a lot about Binnoto's credentials and how he's this wizard of engineering a lot of which I agree with but to the casual public so far, he's the most intelligent looking clown in F1 at the moment.
This might be from left field, but any chance Ferrari brings back Arrivebene to replace Binnoto?

JordanFiveOh
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Zynerji wrote:
ENGINE TUNER wrote:
29 Aug 2020, 18:46
JordanMugen wrote:
28 Aug 2020, 17:59
Cosworth V12 for everybody. =D>

They already built a nice 3.9L 65-degree V12 for Gordon Murray Automotive, with 653 @ 11,500rpm with 60,000 mile rebuild interval.

Put pneumatic valves on it, up the rev limit to make 1020hp @ 18,000rpm, lower the rebuild interval to 5,000 miles (obviously strengthening the bottom end as appropriate) and you have yourself a great racing engine. :D
A "great racing engine" that will consume 3x as much fuel as now requiring refueling which has already been proven to be detrimental to the on track product. All for what ? Loud annoying noise? No thanks.
I've recently found the Vortec 3700 L5 engine, and I'm in love.

DOHC finger-follower, 3.7L, VVT, flat-plane V10 sound, in a super compact block. If driven at 15000rpm, would give around 900HP.

I can't believe I overlooked such a plentiful and cheap Chevy engine before.
I’m FAR from a GM fan, but I agree, this engine is a treat!

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Zynerji wrote:
30 Aug 2020, 01:28
ENGINE TUNER wrote:
29 Aug 2020, 18:46
JordanMugen wrote:
28 Aug 2020, 17:59


Cosworth V12 for everybody. =D>

They already built a nice 3.9L 65-degree V12 for Gordon Murray Automotive, with 653 @ 11,500rpm with 60,000 mile rebuild interval.

Put pneumatic valves on it, up the rev limit to make 1020hp @ 18,000rpm, lower the rebuild interval to 5,000 miles (obviously strengthening the bottom end as appropriate) and you have yourself a great racing engine. :D
A "great racing engine" that will consume 3x as much fuel as now requiring refueling which has already been proven to be detrimental to the on track product. All for what ? Loud annoying noise? No thanks.
I've recently found the Vortec 3700 L5 engine, and I'm in love.

DOHC finger-follower, 3.7L, VVT, flat-plane V10 sound, in a super compact block. If driven at 15000rpm, would give around 900HP.

I can't believe I overlooked such a plentiful and cheap Chevy engine before.
From what I remember, it was a poorly made engine that had hot spots and head warping. Long stroke, not conducive to high rpm.
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Juzh wrote:
29 Aug 2020, 19:08
hamilton pole lap 1.41.252
Based on audio im pretty certain pouhon is indeed flat.
https://streamable.com/nmlqcq
It could be a tiny lift as his 1st Q3 lap. Apex speed in this pole lap is actually 291 according to live speed from broadcasting. App telemetry missed it.

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Watching Max's onboard, he mentions they anchored good tow for both cars. Albon behind Bottas and Max behind Albon. He sounded very happy for that point, but felt dejected that he ran out of charge a bit early.
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yelistener wrote:
30 Aug 2020, 05:48
Juzh wrote:
29 Aug 2020, 19:08
hamilton pole lap 1.41.252
Based on audio im pretty certain pouhon is indeed flat.
https://streamable.com/nmlqcq
It could be a tiny lift as his 1st Q3 lap. Apex speed in this pole lap is actually 291 according to live speed from broadcasting. App telemetry missed it.
we're splitting hairs here

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Moore77 wrote:
30 Aug 2020, 06:21
Watching Max's onboard, he mentions they anchored good tow for both cars. Albon behind Bottas and Max behind Albon. He sounded very happy for that point, but felt dejected that he ran out of charge a bit early.
He didn’t run out. He used it earlier in the lap.
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henry wrote:
30 Aug 2020, 09:10
Moore77 wrote:
30 Aug 2020, 06:21
Watching Max's onboard, he mentions they anchored good tow for both cars. Albon behind Bottas and Max behind Albon. He sounded very happy for that point, but felt dejected that he ran out of charge a bit early.
He didn’t run out. He used it earlier in the lap.
exactly

bosyber
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siskue2005 wrote:
30 Aug 2020, 09:34
henry wrote:
30 Aug 2020, 09:10
Moore77 wrote:
30 Aug 2020, 06:21
Watching Max's onboard, he mentions they anchored good tow for both cars. Albon behind Bottas and Max behind Albon. He sounded very happy for that point, but felt dejected that he ran out of charge a bit early.
He didn’t run out. He used it earlier in the lap.
exactly
Yep, in a later answer to a question Verstappen also amended that bit, saying it wasn't what lost him 2nd on the grid, because it was just him having used the energy earlier in the lap, because that matched the pre-determined fastest way for them to run the lap. Of course, had he somehow gotten more, it would have helped, but it wasn't a failure of the system, just a limited resource being used up before that point.