2020 Italian Grand Prix - Monza, September 4 - 6

[nevill3]

I think Bottas was just highlighting the fact that he got a tow and benefited from it in Q2, so could have gone quicker if Mercedes had not sent them both out first in Q3

[ispano6]

Man, was I wrong by saying that in my opinion Max was going to be within 5 tenths of the fastest Mercedes.

The usage of party mode needs to be allowed again as soon as possible. Mercedes is going to absolutely wipe the floor with everyone tomorrow. They’ll be able to use the high engine mode for the whole race instead of cruising around like they would normally do to control engine wear and compensate for party mode being used in qualifying.

Wasn’t Redbull aware of that when they were pushing for this regulation?

What makes you think Red Bull's race pace will be slower? Honda has said the same thing as Mercedes. The stress you don't cause the engine makes it so that you can have more for the race.

Red Bull and Renault likely have set their set ups for race pace and tire wear. Mclaren looks quick in a straight line but how that will play out for them and their tires remains to be seen.

[SmallSoldier]

Man, was I wrong by saying that in my opinion Max was going to be within 5 tenths of the fastest Mercedes.

The usage of party mode needs to be allowed again as soon as possible. Mercedes is going to absolutely wipe the floor with everyone tomorrow. They’ll be able to use the high engine mode for the whole race instead of cruising around like they would normally do to control engine wear and compensate for party mode being used in qualifying.

Wasn’t Redbull aware of that when they were pushing for this regulation?

I believe that they felt in Mercedes’ trap... Mercedes has been nursing their engines so much during races that it made their qualifying mode look stronger than it actually was... Even a lot of members here were trying to use the end of race time delta to try and determine the gap between Mercedes and the rest and couldn’t accept that Mercedes simply did enough to win without having to exert themselves.

Now that they have to ensure they push a bit, they have unleashed more power from their engine and I wouldn’t be surprised if they still have some left in the tank and be more agresiva with their Qualy/Race mode.


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[SmallSoldier]

Man, was I wrong by saying that in my opinion Max was going to be within 5 tenths of the fastest Mercedes.

The usage of party mode needs to be allowed again as soon as possible. Mercedes is going to absolutely wipe the floor with everyone tomorrow. They’ll be able to use the high engine mode for the whole race instead of cruising around like they would normally do to control engine wear and compensate for party mode being used in qualifying.

Wasn’t Redbull aware of that when they were pushing for this regulation?

What makes you think Red Bull's race pace will be slower? Honda has said the same thing as Mercedes. The stress you don't cause the engine makes it so that you can have more for the race.

Red Bull and Renault likely have set their set ups for race pace and tire wear. Mclaren looks quick in a straight line but how that will play out for them and their tires remains to be seen.

The MCL35 looked very well behaved and planted during both Practice and Qualifying... There is no reason to think that their race pace would be any worse than others based on that.


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[Sieper]

Did you not say that Tanabe and Newey are learning fast, in the Silverstone thread?
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Why are you now not saying that Honda should look at themselves and admit they didn't do their homework?

What are you even talking about. I'm saying they are doing their homework. Have to finish the race to finish their homework.

OK. I will then come back after the race!

For what, to be happy RBR is losing? To rub it in? What Etusch is saying they will first look at the result the wear they experienced this race will give them. And from that they will choose the power settings for next race. At the end of this race they will not know that yet. Then they can first have a look at the PU and see what the effect was.

[LM10]

Man, was I wrong by saying that in my opinion Max was going to be within 5 tenths of the fastest Mercedes.

The usage of party mode needs to be allowed again as soon as possible. Mercedes is going to absolutely wipe the floor with everyone tomorrow. They’ll be able to use the high engine mode for the whole race instead of cruising around like they would normally do to control engine wear and compensate for party mode being used in qualifying.

Wasn’t Redbull aware of that when they were pushing for this regulation?

What makes you think Red Bull's race pace will be slower? Honda has said the same thing as Mercedes. The stress you don't cause the engine makes it so that you can have more for the race.

Red Bull and Renault likely have set their set ups for race pace and tire wear. Mclaren looks quick in a straight line but how that will play out for them and their tires remains to be seen.

Today we’ve seen the single lap pace in the mode the cars are going to be in tomorrow as well. The gap to Redbull is monstrous. The only limiting factor left is tyre wear and Redbull’s tyre nursing must be out of this world to close the gap to Mercedes.

[214270]

What are you even talking about. I'm saying they are doing their homework. Have to finish the race to finish their homework.

OK. I will then come back after the race!

For what, to be happy RBR is losing? To rub it in? What Etusch is saying they will first look at the result the wear they experienced this race will give them. And from that they will choose the power settings for next race. At the end of this race they will not know that yet. Then they can first have a look at the PU and see what the effect was.

DiResta and Chandhok said in commentary that this is assessed on the dyno, not in race.

[dans79]

DiResta and Chandhok said in commentary that this is assessed on the dyno, not in race.

Yea, that's the entire point of spending millions on a dyno.

[PlatinumZealot]

Mercedes has a message for the haterz...

[JordanMugen]

The usage of party mode needs to be allowed again as soon as possible.

The technical directive notes it will help FIA to analyse engine modes, so I can't see why the directive would be rolled back!

[Sieper]

Monza has never been good for redbull, this year in Hungary and Monza They have struggled most. The two tracks with extreme set ups. If that is a coincedence I don’t know.

[Sieper]

OK. I will then come back after the race!

For what, to be happy RBR is losing? To rub it in? What Etusch is saying they will first look at the result the wear they experienced this race will give them. And from that they will choose the power settings for next race. At the end of this race they will not know that yet. Then they can first have a look at the PU and see what the effect was.

DiResta and Chandhok said in commentary that this is assessed on the dyno, not in race.

That is probably correct as you cannot open an actual race unit offcourse. They have the same unit running under the same stress at the dyno to see what it (likely) also did to the race unit. Doesn’t change the fact that you still have to finish the race before you can look at the effect.

[Just_a_fan]

Just had a quick look, it was about 9 seconds. A tow from 9 seconds ?!? really ?

The Merc would need magical aero, to create a tow at that distance!

Which makes it all the more strange then why they didn't give a tow to one of their drivers

That's why. It would have massively benefited one over the other, which is not the Mercedes GP team way.

Of course, if Bottas was a lapdog, he'd have been made to give Hamilton a tow to ensure Hamilton's position. Which again underlines the even-handedness of the team to both drivers.

[Sieper]

They would have if they needed to. Like they did so many times before, the only reason this Q session wasn’t the farce it was last year is that merc just went out on time and on its own. The rest could then follow.

[dans79]

Mercedes has a message for the haterz...

https://youtu.be/mzDVaKRApcg

If the Merc pr person wanted to get feisty, they could tweet this out.