2020 Italian Grand Prix - Monza, September 4 - 6

[Wass85]

Don’t make it personal. Post about things, not about other posters, please.

With the greatest of respect when a poster is making sarcastic comments about how well a 6 time WDC understands how a tow works and then says that they could lap faster than them you don’t think that warrants comment?

A comment and personal abuses with snide remarks are two different different. The sarcastic comment is on a driver, not on the poster who is responding with abuses. Why take it personal, unless you are Hamilton yourself?

Some people just can't take a bit of craic, it's as though I'm speaking to them.

I don't understand why certain posters get so upset on people posting factual info.

Was I lying when I claimed Hamilton was not taking a tow for some reason?

The truth is Mercedes are that dominant they could afford to go fastest easily without a tow.

[dans79]

I don't understand why certain posters get so upset on people posting factual info.

Was I lying when I claimed Hamilton was not taking a tow for some reason?

Does Hamilton know what a tow is?

This is hardly stated as a fact, it reads much more like questioning of his intelligence!

The car has looked on rails all year, I'm sure I could lap faster than Hamilton if I lost some ballast.

This also isn't really a fact. It reads like extreme arrogance, or an attempt to diminish his skills/accomplishments.

[Moore77]

I agree. The extent to which they go in personalized attacks on other posters just because that poster made fun of a driver or a team principal is simply disgusting.

See, I think this is where the problem is. I and several other users believe, a subset of forum users, make posts under the guise of just sharing their opinion, but their intent is just to antagonize others.

Because some people take being antagonized personally they are going to repond. But then the person who started it plays the victim, and around and around it goes!

First off, I can count the names of those "several" that you are talking about, on my fingers. Besides, what is antagonizing you? Is anyone abusing you personally? Why do you get antagonized if the remark is on a driver or a team? Such behavior baffles me.

[Moore77]

I don't understand why certain posters get so upset on people posting factual info.

Was I lying when I claimed Hamilton was not taking a tow for some reason?

Does Hamilton know what a tow is?

This is hardly stated as a fact, it reads much more like questioning of his intelligence!

The car has looked on rails all year, I'm sure I could lap faster than Hamilton if I lost some ballast.

This also isn't really a fact. It reads like extreme arrogance, or an attempt to diminish his skills/accomplishments.

This is exactly where the problem is. A poster makes fun of a driver, and Dan79 feels the hurt. Just so amazing! Why can't you learn to ignore, like several other members on this forum? There is even a facility to put certain posters to ignore list. Why can't you use it and spare yourself the pain?

[dans79]

First off, I can count the names of those "several" that you are talking about, on my fingers.
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I'm pretty sure you can't, because a few of the people who feel that way are generally people I don't get along with, or agree with regularly on the forum.

Besides, what is antagonizing you? Is anyone abusing you personally? Why do you get antagonized if the remark is on a driver or a team? Such behavior baffles me.

In my opinion it doesn't really matter if it baffles you that a Red Bull or Max fan feels antagonized, or if a Ferrari fan feels antagonized, or a Mercedes or Hamilton fan feels antagonized, etc etc.

Social norms, are generally to be nice when interacting with people you don't know or barely know. However that went out the window on the form several years ago in my opinion.

[dans79]

I don't understand why certain posters get so upset on people posting factual info.

Was I lying when I claimed Hamilton was not taking a tow for some reason?

Does Hamilton know what a tow is?

This is hardly stated as a fact, it reads much more like questioning of his intelligence!

The car has looked on rails all year, I'm sure I could lap faster than Hamilton if I lost some ballast.

This also isn't really a fact. It reads like extreme arrogance, or an attempt to diminish his skills/accomplishments.

This is exactly where the problem is. A poster makes fun of a driver, and Dan79 feels the hurt. Just so amazing! Why can't you learn to ignore, like several other members on this forum? There is even a facility to put certain posters to ignore list. Why can't you use it and spare yourself the pain?

I don't see you regularly turning the other cheek or using the ignore function so it seems you have a bit of a double standard.

[Wass85]

I don't understand why certain posters get so upset on people posting factual info.

Was I lying when I claimed Hamilton was not taking a tow for some reason?

Does Hamilton know what a tow is?

This is hardly stated as a fact, it reads much more like questioning of his intelligence!

The car has looked on rails all year, I'm sure I could lap faster than Hamilton if I lost some ballast.

This also isn't really a fact. It reads like extreme arrogance, or an attempt to diminish his skills/accomplishments.

This is exactly where the problem is. A poster makes fun of a driver, and Dan79 feels the hurt. Just so amazing! Why can't you learn to ignore, like several other members on this forum? There is even a facility to put certain posters to ignore list. Why can't you use it and spare yourself the pain?

It's not even making fun, it's just having a bit of light hearted banter in which I'm sure he'll get over.

He needs to remember that Bottas also drives the same planted car so him singling Hamilton out shows how much of an issue he has.

[dans79]

He needs to remember that Bottas also drives the same planted car so him singling Hamilton out shows how much of an issue he has.

Please share one of the disparaging comments you've made about bottas recently!

[Moore77]

This is hardly stated as a fact, it reads much more like questioning of his intelligence!


This also isn't really a fact. It reads like extreme arrogance, or an attempt to diminish his skills/accomplishments.

This is exactly where the problem is. A poster makes fun of a driver, and Dan79 feels the hurt. Just so amazing! Why can't you learn to ignore, like several other members on this forum? There is even a facility to put certain posters to ignore list. Why can't you use it and spare yourself the pain?

I don't see you regularly turning the other cheek or using the ignore function so it seems you have a bit of a double standard.

I have seen you to be a trouble maker and hence, as a responsible forum member, ask you to not take things personally. That's not double standard. The way you and a few other folks try to manhandle me and a few others here, only because there were posts about Hamilton that you folks didn't like, is the source of all this problem, while we never said anything personal to you or to those other guys.

[Wass85]

He needs to remember that Bottas also drives the same planted car so him singling Hamilton out shows how much of an issue he has.

Please share one of the disparaging comments you've made about bottas recently!

I'm sorry but I don't need to do this.

Don't worry my posts will be within forum rules.

You seem to have a problem with me and resort to insults and personal attacks, maybe you should read up on the rules.

[ispano6]

Kvyat will have an advantageous strategy as well considering he had more pace but was hindered in Q2. There may be a two stop strategy in the cards depending on how long the softs last, safety car

not sure if a 2 stopper makes much sense, but they should definitely try something different indeed instead of getting stuck in the DRS train again all race, especially as the risk of dropping back is relatively low (with all those Ferraris behind, unlikely to challenge much). Over the years, going long on the first stints always used to be a great strategy in Monza. Kvyat himself moved up from 12th to 6th that way last year.

At least some Italian fans will be rooting for Alpha Tauri to do well and I'm sure Pierre and Dani will want to reward their team with a good showing. Pierre seems to be in a happy zone with the AT01 and hopefully Dani can replicate the performance Pierre was able to have in Spa with the hope that a safety car doesn't ruin and neutralize the tire advantage. With all the number of offs from practice and qualifying and just knowing that some drivers are going to be pushed into the gravel traps like last year it's going to be important to steer clear of the debris and turned around cars.

[dans79]

He needs to remember that Bottas also drives the same planted car so him singling Hamilton out shows how much of an issue he has.

If he doesn't have a disparaging opinion about Bottas and has one about Hamilton, should it matter to you?

You miss my point. if bottas also drives the planted car where is the comment about him not taking pole with it today, or him not going out II to take advantage of the tow.

[Restomaniac]

Sainz third place was really noteworthy and he did that without a tow. Sometimes I feel that the Red Bull should bring the whole of Alpha Tauri for a work session to understand why their cars are drivable and not Red Bull.

Its not just Sainz it’s McLaren in general. They are quietly just getting on with it.

I think they will finish 3rd in the WCC.

[mafeotul]

Ignoring the above semantical debate, i am truly curious if RedBull will continue to have the same problems in today’s race. If so, the 3rd place is really the most open it has been all season. Being a hidden ‘low-key’ McLaren supporter, i want the podium for them and for poetic justice, i would love Perez to get it, with Covid and the threat of loosing a seat this season.

[caesar1]

There is a good chance of rain during the race, could spice things up.