2020 Italian Grand Prix - Monza, September 4 - 6

[NathanOlder]

Well it does change the stint length of the hard tire he used after the penalty. They would have been 2 laps fresher tires and might have made overtaking Albon a little easier and hence he might have gotten Ricciardo as well as a result.

It doesnt change the stint length. Its the same.

No it's not. you may argue the hard tire doesn't degrade enough for it to make a meaningful difference, but had he stayed out 2 laps he would have done less laps on the hard tire.

Please explain, they restarted the race on lap 28 (i think it was) so 25 laps to go. Lewis did 25 laps on the hard tyre. How can that be changed ?

[Hammerfist]

It doesnt change the stint length. Its the same.

No it's not. you may argue the hard tire doesn't degrade enough for it to make a meaningful difference, but had he stayed out 2 laps he would have done less laps on the hard tire.

He didn't change his tyres at the stop-go.

Ah...my bad then.

[Just_a_fan]

While it might happen once in a while, but becomes so much memorable for years to come. Like a 2008 Italian GP.

I'm tempted to put a tenner on Gasly to win a title now. There's precedent from that previous time, of course.

Who would have thought in 2008, that lad would go on to become a 4 time WDC! If that happens again, no complaints! An Italian driver becoming a WDC, is just crazy and especially if it happens outside of Ferrari.

Gasly's French...

[NathanOlder]

Still feel gutted about Sainz. We excessivily use the phrase one more lap could change things, in this case I think it actually would.

Yeah definitely, he was awesome today, deserved the win. Pierre is a decent guy though, so not all lost.

[Big Tea]

Yeap,
Theres even a couple of reasons to pit straight away, 1 being if a safety car happens in the first couple of laps, if you got your penalty done, you can they catch back up to the pack for free. You cant take your penalty while the safety car is out, so if you stayed out and the safety car come out 2 laps in, you get screwed by losing laps with an unserved penalty. Secondly, he was on the hard tyre, with very little in terms of high speed corners, they take a few laps to get right up to temp after a restart with a slow warm up lap behind the safety car. So instead of staying out for 2 or 3 laps warming up the tyres, then stop with a 30 second pit stop, and then have more warm up time to go through. It just makes sense to do it straight away. So there are a couple of reasons to pit straight away.

The only reason to stay out as long as possible, is with a spread out pack, which it wasnt due to the safety car, well done to your 7yr old daughter for seeing this

There is also that the cars when you catch them are closer together, and squabbling with eachother. This works the other way too, there is not cooling gap between the cars.

But you shouldnt catch them at a different time. example, If your 1st, do 1 lap then serve a 30 second penalty, you then take 5 more laps to catch the pack, so total of 6 laps. If you pit on lap 3, you then do your penalty, you should then be closer to the pack and only take 3 laps to catch the pack. So again , 6 laps to catch the pack. and after 6 laps the pack will be in the same shape no matter when you pit. Hope that makes sense.

But it is done in clean air driving as you want and not having to watch over your shoulder and block.

Had Ham pulled out a 7 second gap, really hammering his car and there been another SC, he would have taken all that out of his car, need to do his penalty and come out 40 seconds behind a pack of cars nice and cool as they have been driving slowly.

Personal, I prefer to see the target too

[Restomaniac]

Well it does change the stint length of the hard tire he used after the penalty. They would have been 2 laps fresher tires and might have made overtaking Albon a little easier and hence he might have gotten Ricciardo as well as a result.

It doesnt change the stint length. Its the same.

No it's not. you may argue the hard tire doesn't degrade enough for it to make a meaningful difference, but had he stayed out 2 laps he would have done less laps on the hard tire.

He came in for a 10 second stop-go he didn’t change tyres.

[epo]

Still feel gutted about Sainz. We excessivily use the phrase one more lap could change things, in this case I think it actually would.

Can't see why, Gasly deserved it clearly more then him and in the slower car, kudos again for Gasly.

[NathanOlder]

No it's not. you may argue the hard tire doesn't degrade enough for it to make a meaningful difference, but had he stayed out 2 laps he would have done less laps on the hard tire.

Please explain, they restarted the race on lap 28 (i think it was) so 25 laps to go. Lewis did 25 laps on the hard tyre. How can that be changed ?

Can you try and explain to me what Lewis was doing on the radio to the team during the red flag questioning their idea to box after the first lap at the restart.

Yeah, he was under the impression it would be better to pit later (which it usually is) but in this instance he was wrong. He then accepted it,and pitted when his team told him.

[Moore77]

I'm tempted to put a tenner on Gasly to win a title now. There's precedent from that previous time, of course.

Who would have thought in 2008, that lad would go on to become a 4 time WDC! If that happens again, no complaints! An Italian driver becoming a WDC, is just crazy and especially if it happens outside of Ferrari.

Gasly's French...

I wasn't talking about Gasly here. It was more in reference to AT having an Italian driver, if that can happen of course.

[Wass85]

Please explain, they restarted the race on lap 28 (i think it was) so 25 laps to go. Lewis did 25 laps on the hard tyre. How can that be changed ?

Can you try and explain to me what Lewis was doing on the radio to the team during the red flag questioning their idea to box after the first lap at the restart.

Yeah, he was under the impression it would be better to pit later (which it usually is) but in this instance he was wrong. He then accepted it,and pitted when his team told him.

God, can't believe he thought that when a 7 year old could work all that out.....

[NathanOlder]

There is also that the cars when you catch them are closer together, and squabbling with eachother. This works the other way too, there is not cooling gap between the cars.

But you shouldnt catch them at a different time. example, If your 1st, do 1 lap then serve a 30 second penalty, you then take 5 more laps to catch the pack, so total of 6 laps. If you pit on lap 3, you then do your penalty, you should then be closer to the pack and only take 3 laps to catch the pack. So again , 6 laps to catch the pack. and after 6 laps the pack will be in the same shape no matter when you pit. Hope that makes sense.

But it is done in clean air driving as you want and not having to watch over your shoulder and block.

Had Ham pulled out a 7 second gap, really hammering his car and there been another SC, he would have taken all that out of his car, need to do his penalty and come out 40 seconds behind a pack of cars nice and cool as they have been driving slowly.

Personal, I prefer to see the target too

Im not with you? If he pits on lap 1, he came out in clear air, if he stays out, hes in clear air. Then when he closes on Albon, the air is dirty, but he catches Albon at the same point.

[bauc]

Superb RACE, congrats to GAS and AT Honda for the win.... so close for Mclaren....

[NathanOlder]

Can you try and explain to me what Lewis was doing on the radio to the team during the red flag questioning their idea to box after the first lap at the restart.

Yeah, he was under the impression it would be better to pit later (which it usually is) but in this instance he was wrong. He then accepted it,and pitted when his team told him.

God, can't believe he thought that when a 7 year old could work all that out.....

Yeah top sportsmen/women make mistakes in the heat of the moment, even Lewis. Its like footballer missing an open goal, a 10yr old can score in an open goal, top level footballers do it. means nothing. Not sure why your making something of it ? Maybe as you are still embarrassed after you major stategy mess up earlier.

[Big Tea]

But you shouldnt catch them at a different time. example, If your 1st, do 1 lap then serve a 30 second penalty, you then take 5 more laps to catch the pack, so total of 6 laps. If you pit on lap 3, you then do your penalty, you should then be closer to the pack and only take 3 laps to catch the pack. So again , 6 laps to catch the pack. and after 6 laps the pack will be in the same shape no matter when you pit. Hope that makes sense.

But it is done in clean air driving as you want and not having to watch over your shoulder and block.

Had Ham pulled out a 7 second gap, really hammering his car and there been another SC, he would have taken all that out of his car, need to do his penalty and come out 40 seconds behind a pack of cars nice and cool as they have been driving slowly.

Personal, I prefer to see the target too

Im not with you? If he pits on lap 1, he came out in clear air, if he stays out, hes in clear air. Then when he closes on Albon, the air is dirty, but he catches Albon at the same point.

He doesn't. He catches Albon 3 laps sooner, for Albon and Him. Also once he passes Albon the next car down the road is closer as it has not stretched out from Albon, and so on through the field.

[__________]

Maybe someone already explained this earlier in the thread but can someone tell me why we had a standing restart this time?
Safety cars w/ red flags necessitate a start from stop?
I did not know this!