[ 2020 ] Mclaren F1 Team - Renault

[SmallSoldier]

I think Carlos is every bit as aggressive as Riccardo, but he’s lacking some of Danny Ric’s experience.

I don’t think anyone would have had it, dirty air and the AT was pulling the Mclaren off the corners... some of it is just the time / speed differential, but it was clear the AT had a bit more off the corners where the Mclaren had the top end.

I think Carlos did as good as just about anyone could have given the circumstances. He, and everyone else should be very happy with his performance.

There were 3 big factors for Carlos not been able to catch Gasly at the end of the race:

- Gasly built a 4+ second lead on Carlos at the beginning of the restart... Carlos lost time behind Stroll and both Alfa Romeo’s, by the time he was P2 behind Gasly, he had to cut that 4+ second gap.
- Carlos was on 5 lap older tires, Gasly changed to new mediums (from Hards) during the Red Flag, Carlos didn’t had any new mediums and going for Hards wasn’t an option with only 50% of the race left to go.
- Mclaren’s aggressive low downforce setup helped in S1 and S3, but unluckily it cost a lot in S2, especially dealing with the dirty air from Gasly’s car.

At the end, Mclaren earned P2 on merit... Without Hamilton’s penalty and the red flag, we would have finished P2, the pit closure and subsequent penalty to Hamilton helped, but it was nullified by the Gasly’s and Stroll’s luck to again finish P2.

Last season, finishing P2 on merit was inconceivable... The fact that we are a bit disappointed because we didn’t win the race, says a lot about how much the team has progressed... And hopefully they will make a few more strides on what remains of the season.

I have a feeling this won’t be the last podium of the season for the team.


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[SmallSoldier]

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[Chicane]

Lando Start Part 1 of the race.

[diffuser]

Anyone else get this feeling that Ricciardo would’ve gone for the move in T1 on the last lap?

I´ve read Gasly used new tires while they were used on Carlos car. Add to that he was on clean air the whole second stint while Carlos had to pass some cars (including a tough battle with Stroll) doing the whole stint in dirty air. I think Carlos did good enough trying till last moment with slower tires but without going crazy, even when we all were anxious for a victory

Not a race to look at what could have done better Carlos, I rate Ricciardo very very high, but can´t guarantee he´d have matched Carlos weekend. I rate Carlos lower than Ricciardo, but that does not mean he can´t do it better some weekend. This may be one of them, he was consistently the fastest behind Mercedes in FP3, Q, and both races

I don't think he was close enough to do anything.

Gasly pitted on Lap 19 and Carolos on Lap 22. Most of the laps between then and the restart(lap 26) were VSC.

[_cerber1]

- Mclaren’s aggressive low downforce setup helped in S1 and S3, but unluckily it cost a lot in S2, especially dealing with the dirty air from Gasly’s car.

I don't know where you got the data that S2 was bad for McLaren.

[Hoffman900]

- Mclaren’s aggressive low downforce setup helped in S1 and S3, but unluckily it cost a lot in S2, especially dealing with the dirty air from Gasly’s car.

I don't know where you got the data that S2 was bad for McLaren.
https://radikal.ru

Sector bests are just a snap shot. A better analysis would be looking at the last 5 laps or so.

[michl420]

Overtaking in moza was always difficult. It look easy because of the long straights but it was never. Setup wise, you need enought downforce to be behind the other car after sector 2 but you must be fast enought on the straight. The mclaren setup was very good, look at bottas or even hamilton.

[_cerber1]

Sector bests are just a snap shot. A better analysis would be looking at the last 5 laps or so.

Ricciardo: Running behind his future team mate Lando Norris, Ricciardo said the McLaren looked stronger than his Renault in the high-speed corners at Monza.

“I didn’t have Lando directly in front of me, but he was just in front of I think Perez and just in front of Bottas so I could see him a little bit as well. And I’d probably say that in the highest speed corners I feel that either everyone’s a bit stronger or that’s an area where we probably lack a little bit for now. So that that seemed to be a strength of McLaren today.”

https://www.racefans.net/2020/09/08/ric ... -at-monza/

P.S. The last circles are not indicative, because the tires were already dead.

[SmallSoldier]

- Mclaren’s aggressive low downforce setup helped in S1 and S3, but unluckily it cost a lot in S2, especially dealing with the dirty air from Gasly’s car.

I don't know where you got the data that S2 was bad for McLaren.

I had live timing on during the race, those are averages for the race... I’ll try to put some screen shots together later today


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[mwillems]

- Mclaren’s aggressive low downforce setup helped in S1 and S3, but unluckily it cost a lot in S2, especially dealing with the dirty air from Gasly’s car.

I don't know where you got the data that S2 was bad for McLaren.
https://radikal.ru

Now I'm curious, I always felt we were slower out of Rettifillo and Roggia and fast everywhere else.

[McL-H]

Lando Start Part 1 of the race.

Lovely start. Very un-Norris-like aggression. He knew he had to take Bottas as the chance would slip away after the first sector, and he straightup went for it. I like.

[diffuser]

- Mclaren’s aggressive low downforce setup helped in S1 and S3, but unluckily it cost a lot in S2, especially dealing with the dirty air from Gasly’s car.

I don't know where you got the data that S2 was bad for McLaren.
https://radikal.ru

I had live timing on during the race, those are averages for the race... I’ll try to put some screen shots together later today


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You're not gonna be faster that Gasley in S2 when he's in cleaner air. The closer you get to Gasley the more you'll suffer in S2. The more you gain in S3 , especially when you get into DRS range. You just need to make sure the gains in S1 and S3 out do the losses in S2.

[adrianjordan]

Just to touch on the whole changing tyres under red flag situation. Perhaps the rule could state that, if you change tyres under red flag and do not make visit to the pits at any other point in the race, then you will have a time equal to the fastest pit stop (including entry/exit etc) of any other driver added to your final race time.

[SmallSoldier]

I don't know where you got the data that S2 was bad for McLaren.
https://radikal.ru

I had live timing on during the race, those are averages for the race... I’ll try to put some screen shots together later today


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You're not gonna be faster that Gasley in S2 when he's in cleaner air. The closer you get to Gasley the more you'll suffer in S2. The more you gain in S3 , especially when you get into DRS range. You just need to make sure the gains in S1 and S3 out do the losses in S2.

Exactly what I was saying and the timing showed.


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[holeindalip]

Just to touch on the whole changing tyres under red flag situation. Perhaps the rule could state that, if you change tyres under red flag and do not make visit to the pits at any other point in the race, then you will have a time equal to the fastest pit stop (including entry/exit etc) of any other driver added to your final race time.

No where in the rules does it state you have to make a pit stop, just that you have to run 2 different sets of dry tires. As you are allowed to make changes and change tires during red flag conditions everything is within the rules...