Lewis Hamilton and Valtteri Bottas enjoyed a near-perfect day for Mercedes, though Bottas might be left wondering what could've been. Alexander Albon secured third place after a strong final 10 laps following second race stoppage.
he messed up is outlap otherwise how could he have been in the yellow flag situation with Ocon who is 9thWass85 wrote: ↑13 Sep 2020, 02:10How does he?PlatinumZealot wrote: ↑13 Sep 2020, 02:02I don't follow. Weren't you strongly suggesting in this very thread that Bottas rightfully deserves to be on pole.
https://media1.tenor.com/images/a4ccb1a ... d=13712192
I do think however he would have gone faster on his second run though.
I was refering to last year as well. A lot of times Vettel has been around 2 tenths, including 3 times this year. Monza should not be counted at all as Seb didn't even do a representative lap in clean air. Silverstone's gap is huge on both weekends. And of course you've got Mugello. It seems he really struggles against Leclerc in the high speed corners.PlatinumZealot wrote: ↑12 Sep 2020, 23:06
I get the Median to be -2.65 tenths. The average is -0.338 tenths.
AUT STY HUN GBR 70A ESP BEL ITA TUS
VET 01:04.206 01:19.545 01:14.774 01:26.339 01:27.078 01:17.168 01:43.261 01:21.151 01:16.858
LEC 01:04.041 01:19.628 01:14.817 01:25.427 01:26.709 01:16.953 01:42.996 01:20.443 01:16.324
GAP -0.165 0.083 0.043 -0.912 -0.369 -0.215 -0.265 -0.708 -0.534
The median ignores outliers.
Median -0.265
Average -0.338
Average with slowest and fastest removed..
-0.3161
Even in his Red Bull days, he was slightly slower to Webber in high speed corners, but used to better him on other parts.Hammerfist wrote: ↑13 Sep 2020, 07:02I was refering to last year as well. A lot of times Vettel has been around 2 tenths, including 3 times this year. Monza should not be counted at all as Seb didn't even do a representative lap in clean air. Silverstone's gap is huge on both weekends. And of course you've got Mugello. It seems he really struggles against Leclerc in the high speed corners.PlatinumZealot wrote: ↑12 Sep 2020, 23:06
I get the Median to be -2.65 tenths. The average is -0.338 tenths.
AUT STY HUN GBR 70A ESP BEL ITA TUS
VET 01:04.206 01:19.545 01:14.774 01:26.339 01:27.078 01:17.168 01:43.261 01:21.151 01:16.858
LEC 01:04.041 01:19.628 01:14.817 01:25.427 01:26.709 01:16.953 01:42.996 01:20.443 01:16.324
GAP -0.165 0.083 0.043 -0.912 -0.369 -0.215 -0.265 -0.708 -0.534
The median ignores outliers.
Median -0.265
Average -0.338
Average with slowest and fastest removed..
-0.3161
There are limited changes that can be made as has been said, also Lewis in his post Qualifying interview mentions that he made some changes that helped between Q1 and Q2. I watched this video after I posted my original comment.NathanOlder wrote: ↑13 Sep 2020, 00:36You can't change setup before a second run. Once you leave the garage for the first time in Q1, the setup is frozen.
mirrorCold Fussion wrote: ↑12 Sep 2020, 18:55
Do you store these somewhere other than youtube? It would be nice to be able to download them since your videos get FOM'd quite often.
BTW, I don't know if you were aware, even after the FOM block, it's still possible to download the lap (strangely without audio) from your YT channel via 3rd party websites...Juzh wrote: ↑13 Sep 2020, 09:56mirrorCold Fussion wrote: ↑12 Sep 2020, 18:55
Do you store these somewhere other than youtube? It would be nice to be able to download them since your videos get FOM'd quite often.
https://streamable.com/h8vwqw
Yes, I noticed it too. I guess he was checking on a change they'd made or he'd seen something in the data and wanted to try something out. Could just be a single corner change that gives lap time benefit just by allowing following corners to be slightly faster.nevill3 wrote: ↑13 Sep 2020, 08:59
During qualifying I definitely noticed Lewis going out again where as none of the other top runners did. These little details were not commentated on on the live feed I was watching but the graphic on the screen showed Lewis was out a second time and his overall lap count is higher than the other top two.
The specialty of Vettel has always been slow corners. As someone else mentioned Webber was most of the time faster than Seb in those. That is also one of the reasons he needs a stable car with predictability. Something that Ferrari cannot offer. That is one the reasons he struggles more than Leclerc.Hammerfist wrote: ↑13 Sep 2020, 07:02I was refering to last year as well. A lot of times Vettel has been around 2 tenths, including 3 times this year. Monza should not be counted at all as Seb didn't even do a representative lap in clean air. Silverstone's gap is huge on both weekends. And of course you've got Mugello. It seems he really struggles against Leclerc in the high speed corners.PlatinumZealot wrote: ↑12 Sep 2020, 23:06
I get the Median to be -2.65 tenths. The average is -0.338 tenths.
AUT STY HUN GBR 70A ESP BEL ITA TUS
VET 01:04.206 01:19.545 01:14.774 01:26.339 01:27.078 01:17.168 01:43.261 01:21.151 01:16.858
LEC 01:04.041 01:19.628 01:14.817 01:25.427 01:26.709 01:16.953 01:42.996 01:20.443 01:16.324
GAP -0.165 0.083 0.043 -0.912 -0.369 -0.215 -0.265 -0.708 -0.534
The median ignores outliers.
Median -0.265
Average -0.338
Average with slowest and fastest removed..
-0.3161
Mercedes do very often go out for a second run in Q1 though. More often than not I'd say. Maybe it was more a case of Bottas not wanting to go out.Just_a_fan wrote: ↑13 Sep 2020, 10:10Yes, I noticed it too. I guess he was checking on a change they'd made or he'd seen something in the data and wanted to try something out. Could just be a single corner change that gives lap time benefit just by allowing following corners to be slightly faster.nevill3 wrote: ↑13 Sep 2020, 08:59
During qualifying I definitely noticed Lewis going out again where as none of the other top runners did. These little details were not commentated on on the live feed I was watching but the graphic on the screen showed Lewis was out a second time and his overall lap count is higher than the other top two.
To the surprise of many, Hamilton puts a lot of work in to finding lap time improvements...
He was slower than Bottas in Q1, went out again for a partial lap, and then was faster than Bottas in Q2 and Q3. That's not a coincidence. Maybe Bottas thought he had qualifying in the bag. If he did, that was his mistake.NathanOlder wrote: ↑13 Sep 2020, 10:17Mercedes do very often go out for a second run in Q1 though. More often than not I'd say. Maybe it was more a case of Bottas not wanting to go out.Just_a_fan wrote: ↑13 Sep 2020, 10:10Yes, I noticed it too. I guess he was checking on a change they'd made or he'd seen something in the data and wanted to try something out. Could just be a single corner change that gives lap time benefit just by allowing following corners to be slightly faster.nevill3 wrote: ↑13 Sep 2020, 08:59
During qualifying I definitely noticed Lewis going out again where as none of the other top runners did. These little details were not commentated on on the live feed I was watching but the graphic on the screen showed Lewis was out a second time and his overall lap count is higher than the other top two.
Yep, if they go out for a partial run in qualifying they usually do so together unless one is struggling.Just_a_fan wrote: ↑13 Sep 2020, 10:21He was slower than Bottas in Q1, went out again for a partial lap, and then was faster than Bottas in Q2 and Q3. That's not a coincidence. Maybe Bottas thought he had qualifying in the bag. If he did, that was his mistake.NathanOlder wrote: ↑13 Sep 2020, 10:17Mercedes do very often go out for a second run in Q1 though. More often than not I'd say. Maybe it was more a case of Bottas not wanting to go out.Just_a_fan wrote: ↑13 Sep 2020, 10:10
Yes, I noticed it too. I guess he was checking on a change they'd made or he'd seen something in the data and wanted to try something out. Could just be a single corner change that gives lap time benefit just by allowing following corners to be slightly faster.
