Laughable. Like Webber's wing being taken off his car and given to Vettel ? Or Massa receiving a bullshit gearbox change to move Alonso up a spot on the grid ? Or Barrichello being ordered to slow down to let his team mate past on the finish line ?
Not sure it’s about specifically punishing Hamilton, but more about manufacturing as tight a championship battle as possible. Hamilton is the fall guy for that because he’s the one running away with the title so thusly is the one usually being pegged back.siskue2005 wrote: ↑27 Sep 2020, 17:05Comments from wolf - one penalty was for driving too slowly?
"The errors always happen together," he said when asked about the incident by Autosport.
"It's not a team error, it's not a Lewis error. And I wouldn't want to point at anybody, and I've never done that.
"Ron [Meadows] and I were at the stewards, the verdict was he wasn't in the right place.
"There is no mention what the right place is in the director's note, nor is it in the regulations. So we disagree on that one - we agree to disagree on that one.
"The other one was not driving at constant speed in the reconnaissance laps, and there again, it's debatable.
Wolff insisted that Masi's notes did not specify exactly where drivers could conduct practice starts, and that there was no advantage gained from where he did the start.
"The race director's notes say, if I'm well-informed, that you must do practice starts after the lights on the right side of the pitlane. And that's what happened," he said.
"The designated place, it says after the lights, at the right side. It does specify that the practice starts need to be done after the lights on the right side."
"You know, things are not always black and white, and there's room for interpretation. There are rules that can be interpreted in two ways. There is common sense. There is the fact that then an in-race penalty was given, actually two in-race penalties were given, for an infringement that happened before the race.
"And there was an argument that he gained an advantage by making the [practice starts] there, I think it was not an advantage because there was no grip, so much less grip than you would have on your starting positions. It is what it is at the end of the day, obviously, we're all emotional about that."
The bold parts are really concerning, it looks like they wanted to punish Lewis badly
Concurred. Hence the term, "Formula WWE". Americans taking over was a bad omen.El Scorchio wrote: ↑27 Sep 2020, 17:15
Not sure it’s about specifically punishing Hamilton, but more about manufacturing as tight a championship battle as possible.
It's obvious that there is an attempt to manufacture this season's progress and outcome. It's not just Hamilton, although it's obvious that he is a target, but also hiw other penalties are applied. One driver goes off at T2 and gets a penalty, another goes off and gets nothing. Drivers are hit and the other driver gets nothing.siskue2005 wrote: ↑27 Sep 2020, 17:05
The bold parts are really concerning, it looks like they wanted to punish Lewis badly
Yes, it's Hamilton managing his brand.grubschumi13 wrote: ↑27 Sep 2020, 16:33Villeneuve said it, he is trying to create an antagonist for which he is the protagonist.It's acting really. Smart when you are managing your own brand.PlatinumZealot wrote: ↑27 Sep 2020, 15:53Lewis is smartly creating more story and fanfare behind it to make it look greater when he smashes the records! Lol.
For me as a fan the struggles make the victories sweeter and that is exactly what Lewis is tugging at. This Netflix episode should be fire!
Whut?siskue2005 wrote: ↑27 Sep 2020, 17:05Comments from wolf - one penalty was for driving too slowly?
"The errors always happen together," he said when asked about the incident by Autosport.
"It's not a team error, it's not a Lewis error. And I wouldn't want to point at anybody, and I've never done that.
"Ron [Meadows] and I were at the stewards, the verdict was he wasn't in the right place.
"There is no mention what the right place is in the director's note, nor is it in the regulations. So we disagree on that one - we agree to disagree on that one.
"The other one was not driving at constant speed in the reconnaissance laps, and there again, it's debatable.
Wolff insisted that Masi's notes did not specify exactly where drivers could conduct practice starts, and that there was no advantage gained from where he did the start.
"The race director's notes say, if I'm well-informed, that you must do practice starts after the lights on the right side of the pitlane. And that's what happened," he said.
"The designated place, it says after the lights, at the right side. It does specify that the practice starts need to be done after the lights on the right side."
"You know, things are not always black and white, and there's room for interpretation. There are rules that can be interpreted in two ways. There is common sense. There is the fact that then an in-race penalty was given, actually two in-race penalties were given, for an infringement that happened before the race.
"And there was an argument that he gained an advantage by making the [practice starts] there, I think it was not an advantage because there was no grip, so much less grip than you would have on your starting positions. It is what it is at the end of the day, obviously, we're all emotional about that."
The bold parts are really concerning, it looks like they wanted to punish Lewis badly
Germany 2019? did u expect Lewis to drive around the track with damaged front wing and shedding debries and risking Massa like accident? it was correct decision to pit and take penaltyJolle wrote: ↑27 Sep 2020, 17:26Third time in two seasons where Hamilton lost a possible victory by a infringement of the rules where a team of the magnitude of Mercedes should know better (Germany 2019, the bollard, Italy 2020, pitlane closed and Russia 2020).
Especially the last two were carbon copies that someone didn’t read the notes...
Debatable, but still, even if so, what then? Are they just too busy partying all the Championships in the last 5 years to care?Jolle wrote: ↑27 Sep 2020, 17:26Third time in two seasons where Hamilton lost a possible victory by a infringement of the rules where a team of the magnitude of Mercedes should know better (Germany 2019, the bollard, Italy 2020, pitlane closed and Russia 2020).
Especially the last two were carbon copies that someone didn’t read the notes...
Maybe it's because Max feels this is safe in the pits:Sieper wrote: ↑27 Sep 2020, 17:32Max defends Lewis, penalty points too harsh. If you are endangering others, via driving you should give penalty points, but for this not needed. If you can read Dutch:
https://racingnews365.nl/verstappen-pla ... overdreven
I have often wondered how much money people would need to raise via a gofundme or something similar to get Sky to fire him. He talks far to much, and knows far less than everyone else on the commentary team.siskue2005 wrote: ↑27 Sep 2020, 17:30Sochi 2020: Wolf's quote above shows that it was not clear cut as u think. There is no clear cut rules stating this like the idiot David Croft was saying on air
Ok here is the video with subtitles:
A couple of points:
- Juusela seemed dead set that Hamilton would get his penalty points filled to 12, which suggets the stewards initially considered this as the penalty.
- I know that the investigations for the two practice starts were already announced at this point, but the way Juusela would "predict" a hockey-style 5+5 penalty is very unlikely.
- To me it is evident beyond reasonable doubt that at the start of the video Salo messages Juusela and spills the beans. Nothing about it seems like it's Juusela's own speculation.
I have said in this topic already that was a penalty for Leclerc imho. They look similar but are not exactly the same, two situations never are. Lewis forced Albon of track, that did not happen here and besides it was first lap. But why leclerc was allowed to do this without consequence I don’t understand. Did it to Verstappen in Japan 2019 too, also at first, without even an under investigation.
:D