but others(fia merc aliance) also must learn to fairplay. Looking as a mistake it, yea if Redbull would champion next year it would be a shame, or 2022 as Brown gp did.Jambier wrote: ↑02 Oct 2020, 12:19This is sad.
As 10 years ago, Honda was poor and they left when finally they started to be at the good level.
10 years after, same mistakes with engine.
I don't get it... Honda should understand and learn that F1 is not something you win in 3 years time, it takes commitment and long term vision.
No SAAB, Pontiac, Holden, Triumph, Woseley, Morris, Leyland, Austin and Rover are dead. 
Honda is still racing in affordable categories, so Honda still exists, after all Soichiro Honda himself authorised withdrawal of Honda from F1 in 1968 and withdrawal of Honda from MotoGP in 1969.
Too little benefits in F1 beyond this point basically.JordanMugen wrote: ↑02 Oct 2020, 12:53
Oh well, these things happen. With a push towards electrification and low emissions, poor Honda sales in Europe (with F1 remaining largely Euro-centric), and electric products needing huge R&D investment, the decision is entirely logical.
So, if other manufactures thinks the same.... only Mercedes in the F1.rogazilla wrote: ↑02 Oct 2020, 16:13Posted in other thread too. Honda uses F1 to train engineers first, PR/Marketing second (at least that's their stance). A lot of people are saying frozen state should convince them to stay, basically does not understand the reason why Honda is in the game.
2022 does nothing to convince Honda in my opinion, being frozen from development, chance of innovation becomes miniscule and you can play with the reliability route but that's not really the type of creative situation for their engineers. From marketing point of view, if they don't win next season or match PU performance to Merc, once frozen, you will continue to play second fiddle. No benefit in innovation and no benefit in PR and very expensive.
Don't do it!
I changed my Honda road car to Renault, and the lack of thoughtful Honda touches is really annoying. (e.g., Renault doesn't think there should be a tab to secure rear seatbelts out of the way when folding down rear seats... well, why not?) 
The difference is that F1 is Ferarri's entire marketing budget basically. Merc also consider F1 their marketing campaign. This is the difference in my opinion where most people don't understand that mindset. It is true everyone compete in any racing series want the glory and the PR that offered but Honda has always been rotating their engineers and use any of the series as their development ground. People here have polar opposite opinion on Honda for doing that. I do think 2009 was caused by bean counters but this time, I truly think it is just no longer in the interest of Honda to participate unless it offers a chance to innovate and allow their engineers a chance to express their creativity. To be fair, we have also heard many rumors Merc considers selling the team because outside of PR/marketing the tech doesn't offer much back to their product and their future tech development in road car tech.selvam_e2002 wrote: ↑02 Oct 2020, 17:29So, if other manufactures thinks the same.... only Mercedes in the F1.rogazilla wrote: ↑02 Oct 2020, 16:13Posted in other thread too. Honda uses F1 to train engineers first, PR/Marketing second (at least that's their stance). A lot of people are saying frozen state should convince them to stay, basically does not understand the reason why Honda is in the game.
2022 does nothing to convince Honda in my opinion, being frozen from development, chance of innovation becomes miniscule and you can play with the reliability route but that's not really the type of creative situation for their engineers. From marketing point of view, if they don't win next season or match PU performance to Merc, once frozen, you will continue to play second fiddle. No benefit in innovation and no benefit in PR and very expensive.
Honda reached its max and could not deliver what they believed so, exiting from F1
