Allow only German manufacturers then?
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Honda F1 project leader Yusuke Hasegawa has outlined a number of reasons why Honda has been struggling so badly in the beginning of the 2017 Formula One season. He confirmed that lots of problems were not discovered while running on the dynamo meter.
Allow only German manufacturers then?
They already signed the Concorde agreement...djones wrote: ↑02 Oct 2020, 10:58I suspect the latest rule change was the final nail in the coffin where they realised they would never be able to match the resources of Mercedes.
Honda and Redbull seemed adamant Mercedes had a magic bullet and pushed for the change. Then after the change, Honda dropped back more than any other engine manufacturer (relatively speaking).
Redbull will be interesting to see what they do next as they won't get a Mercedes or Ferrari engine. And they burnt bridges with Renault!!
I'll call it now... Redbull to leave F1 as well.
They don't need it. By rules the PU supplier with the fewest teams will be forced to supply a team with no deals, so no-one will be left without a PU.
With a clause allowing them to leave after each season.
Daimler is a much larger corporation, with the overwhelming majority of their assets in the automotive industry.Big Tea wrote: ↑02 Oct 2020, 21:01I supose if Red Bull are considering going it alone (or teaming up with a tec partner) this is probably the best time to do it. Lots of F1 people going to be looking for work due to the cost cap cutbacks plus other engineering like aerospace in the same position.
It would take a a few years to get to the stage where it is race competent, but I wonder if Honda would allow them to use up the existing stock of Honda engines possibly supplying as a paid customer? (although from the past it seems Honda prefer a clean exit)
New engine rules in 4 years is about the right lead time. a year to get it organised, a year forward planning and studding spec, and if the manufacturer were not actually called Red bull, 2 years of test, arriving just in time for the new engine regs
I remember reading the same about the time the agreements were signed. While I don't believe anything out of Markos' mouth, here is an article https://www.f1-fansite.com/f1-news/mark ... ak-clause/
"You can cancel it annually, as nothing is as certain as it used to be anymore," Red Bull's top Austrian official Marko told motorsport-total.com.
Honda had a building across the street from the current one before it was in F1 (although that building says "Mugen"). I don't know about their plans now of course, but I'd be surprised if they dumped everything. The old building is still there, but is just mothballed.godlameroso wrote: ↑02 Oct 2020, 20:04So all the facilities they built in MK will just vanish after November 20 2021?Wouter wrote: ↑02 Oct 2020, 19:47Yes, in theory, but not in practice.godlameroso wrote: ↑02 Oct 2020, 19:01They could possibly use a Honda engine up to and through 2022, as development would essentially be frozen in season.
Honda will withdraw its people from F1 at the end of 2021.
Which people will take care of the Honda engine in the RBR and SAT garages in 2022?
Who will supply new parts if Honda parts fail in 2022?
Does it matter what you produce as long as you have funds to go into production?mzso wrote: ↑02 Oct 2020, 21:14Daimler is a much larger corporation, with the overwhelming majority of their assets in the automotive industry.Big Tea wrote: ↑02 Oct 2020, 21:01I supose if Red Bull are considering going it alone (or teaming up with a tec partner) this is probably the best time to do it. Lots of F1 people going to be looking for work due to the cost cap cutbacks plus other engineering like aerospace in the same position.
It would take a a few years to get to the stage where it is race competent, but I wonder if Honda would allow them to use up the existing stock of Honda engines possibly supplying as a paid customer? (although from the past it seems Honda prefer a clean exit)
New engine rules in 4 years is about the right lead time. a year to get it organised, a year forward planning and studding spec, and if the manufacturer were not actually called Red bull, 2 years of test, arriving just in time for the new engine regs
Red Bull mostly produces caffeinated sugar water...
It's unrealistic for them to accomplish anything.
One simply does not "maintain" these power units.. they have to be operated with an engineering team at track and base, and labs set up to analyze wear. Live telemetry sent to base. Supply chain has to be managed. Parts have to be inspected. etc. A whole engineering team and facility is required. Takes months to train people. Not impossible.. but it is just easier to buy the Renault package.
