[ 2020 ] Aston Martin RedBull Racing F1 Team - Honda

[PlatinumZealot]

Will you receive me in Japan when I come to Suzuka next year Ispano?

[wickedz50]

I really feel bad for the redbull team, they endured such hardship in this era which is driven by engine manufacturer teams, this is entirely up to FIA, i just dont know if the engine formula was made so complicated and expensive that other manufacturers simply are not interested and offcourse Honda decides to pull out.
Now FIA please give redbull the best engine on the grid, i want a fair competetion.
Redbull should get a Merc engine with same power level else this F1 is becoming a joke.

[Pany]

Hope so, the only way to stop this farce

[Bill]

Honda pulling the plug on f1 does not surprise me.Rbr has systematically blamed Honda for under performance the last race they were allegedly loosing 0.6 tenth on straight which is bullshit ferrari with worst pu doesn't lose that much and Max on hard tires was competitive.
Honda came into season expecting champ fight not to be slower than last year car and Mercedes copy .they won with alpha in monza of all places the pu is there.
Fia was stupid in not including pu manu in revenue share and constantly changing rules has killed Rbr competitiveness the chickens have come home to roost.

[Big Tea]

I really feel bad for the redbull team, they endured such hardship in this era which is driven by engine manufacturer teams, this is entirely up to FIA, i just dont know if the engine formula was made so complicated and expensive that other manufacturers simply are not interested and offcourse Honda decides to pull out.
Now FIA please give redbull the best engine on the grid, i want a fair competetion.
Redbull should get a Merc engine with same power level else this F1 is becoming a joke.

They are lapping it up. The reason they are in sport is to get the name seen and mentioned by particular groups, and they are getting it in trumps.

The team are not enjoying it, but Red Bull are, and they supply the cash to keep going.

[Manoah2u]

Since RB claims '2022' is their chance on a WDC, they have a plan already. I now also look different on Max' comments on the engine of recent, as he must have known. I also understand his frustrations now they're observable in a different light.

I think we're in for much more of a shock than just Honda pulling out. Negotiations with Hamilton and Merc have come to a halt, 'panic' in the F1 world, there are things in movement and i'm just wondering when this merry go round will stop and how it'll shape 2021/2022.

Is RB going to pull the plug?

What's your source for Hamilton's negotiations coming to a halt? First I've heard of it.

RTL Germany

[Wouter]

Since RB claims '2022' is their chance on a WDC, they have a plan already. I now also look different on Max' comments on the engine of recent, as he must have known. I also understand his frustrations now they're observable in a different light.

I think we're in for much more of a shock than just Honda pulling out. Negotiations with Hamilton and Merc have come to a halt, 'panic' in the F1 world, there are things in movement and i'm just wondering when this merry go round will stop and how it'll shape 2021/2022.

Is RB going to pull the plug?

What's your source for Hamilton's negotiations coming to a halt? First I've heard of it.

RTL Germany

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Toto Wolff: Vertragsverlängerung mit Lewis Hamilton nicht vor November.

Toto Wolff: contract extension with Lewis Hamilton not before November

https://www.rtl.de/cms/formel-1-toto-wo ... 23283.html

[Sayeman]

man i am so sad right now. Started watching F1 from 2015, just because Honda came back. After all those painful years, they finally started winning and now they are leaving. For ****sake!

F1 viewership increased thanks to Honda. And in the last two years, the best and most memorable races are the ones that a Honda PU won. Austria, Germany, and Monza. I was fortunate to have gone to Suzuka 2015 and 2019.
I don't care what the situation will be like in 2021 but I will make sure to smuggle my ass into Suzuka 2021 for our home race. If another car takes out Max again I swear I am going to go nuclear.

Once Honda leaves, a ton of F1 viewership and interest will with it. On the bright side, at least I will get more sleep on the weekends. Unless Tsunoda earns a seat at AT and brings some Honda sponsorship...

Mercedes had such a headstart that unless you cheat, you are never gonna catch upto them. My biggest regret is that f1 didnt do enough to help the others close that gap. In motogp, struggling manufacturers are given unlimited testing opportunities. F1 should have done something similar.

As for RBR, back to Renault i guess, luckily for them Renault is competitive now.

For me i will go back to being a casual viewer. None of the other manufacturers excite me. None of them gives you that rollercoaster feeling like Honda does.

[nzjrs]

For me i will go back to being a casual viewer. None of the other manufacturers excite me. None of them gives you that rollercoaster feeling like Honda does.

Likely me too. They were so open with their development, it was a real engineering example. The end of year photo shoots of the PU were also magnificent. Such a shame.

[Sevach]

Since RB claims '2022' is their chance on a WDC, they have a plan already. I now also look different on Max' comments on the engine of recent, as he must have known. I also understand his frustrations now they're observable in a different light.

I think we're in for much more of a shock than just Honda pulling out. Negotiations with Hamilton and Merc have come to a halt, 'panic' in the F1 world, there are things in movement and i'm just wondering when this merry go round will stop and how it'll shape 2021/2022.

Is RB going to pull the plug?

Not just that, Verstappen might have an exit clause connected to engine supply.

And yeah, of late we saw some signs of Max mainly complaining more openly about Honda, which makes perfect sense now.

[Big Tea]

man i am so sad right now. Started watching F1 from 2015, just because Honda came back. After all those painful years, they finally started winning and now they are leaving. For ****sake!

F1 viewership increased thanks to Honda. And in the last two years, the best and most memorable races are the ones that a Honda PU won. Austria, Germany, and Monza. I was fortunate to have gone to Suzuka 2015 and 2019.
I don't care what the situation will be like in 2021 but I will make sure to smuggle my ass into Suzuka 2021 for our home race. If another car takes out Max again I swear I am going to go nuclear.

Once Honda leaves, a ton of F1 viewership and interest will with it. On the bright side, at least I will get more sleep on the weekends. Unless Tsunoda earns a seat at AT and brings some Honda sponsorship...

Mercedes had such a headstart that unless you cheat, you are never gonna catch upto them. My biggest regret is that f1 didnt do enough to help the others close that gap. In motogp, struggling manufacturers are given unlimited testing opportunities. F1 should have done something similar.

As for RBR, back to Renault i guess, luckily for them Renault is competitive now.

For me i will go back to being a casual viewer. None of the other manufacturers excite me. None of them gives you that rollercoaster feeling like Honda does.

But what advantage over the others did Merc have, that the others could no have?

That might have started sooner, but there was nothing stopping anyone else doing the same?

So many people seem to have a down on Merc just because no one else did what they did.

[Just_a_fan]

have a down on Merc just because no one else did what they did.

Exactly, people forget that Mercedes put in a massive investment and are reaping the rewards. Red Bull could have made the effort to find a partner and invest in development. Instead, they just bad mouthed Renault having benefited from Renault's PU in the blown diffuser days.

[Wouter]

But what advantage over the others did Merc have, that the others could no have?

That might have started sooner, but there was nothing stopping anyone else doing the same?

So many people seem to have a down on Merc just because no one else did what they did.

Probably the other teams did the same what Mercedes did, but if you keep running, say, 40 hp behind from the start,
you will always stay 40 hp behind.

[nzjrs]

have a down on Merc just because no one else did what they did.

Exactly, people forget that Mercedes put in a massive investment and are reaping the rewards. Red Bull could have made the effort to find a partner and invest in development. Instead, they just bad mouthed Renault having benefited from Renault's PU in the blown diffuser days.

I'm confused. RBR did find a partner and invest in them (Honda) after breaking up with Renault.

[diffuser]

Honda pulling the plug on f1 does not surprise me.Rbr has systematically blamed Honda for under performance the last race they were allegedly loosing 0.6 tenth on straight which is bullshit ferrari with worst pu doesn't lose that much and Max on hard tires was competitive.
Honda came into season expecting champ fight not to be slower than last year car and Mercedes copy .they won with alpha in monza of all places the pu is there.
Fia was stupid in not including pu manu in revenue share and constantly changing rules has killed Rbr competitiveness the chickens have come home to roost.

We know now that they already knew Honda was pulling out at that time.

Think Renault and Honda are close enough to win if RBR had the chassis and the drivers. RBR are still short one Driver to take constructors from Merc. Face it, RBR don't have the resources in the current Generation of regs to beat Merc or Ferrari. They need luck to do it(or stupidity in Ferrari's case).

The good news is NEXT GEN starts 2021.