Silly Season 2020/2021 (starting with silliness in 2019)

[DChemTech]

This just made me realize.........Alonso signed with Alpine-Renault.
Renault surely is going to make a deal with RedBull Racing.
RBR had interest in Alonso but because of Honda couldn't acquire him.

2022 Alonso moves to RedBull racing alongside Verstappen, or to REPLACE Verstappen whom will move to Aston Martin F1 Team alongside Vettel to replace Stroll?

I once had a history teacher that every day he just hated me. Then one day he tells me "You should really stop doing drugs." I told him I didn't do any, his response was "we'll have you considered?"

I realize it's Silly season but a driver swap with a team that you had a bad relationship with towards the end? Also a team that doesn't take in outside talent. RedBull likes to have driver's from their own academy. Max has way more to give then Alonso in the long run and probably in the short term as well. Alonso might have a good few years left but Max has a long time still to come. I mean I know it's silly season but no. Lol but then again it's 2020.... So who knows...

In general, I find the number of Alonso fanboys & the lengths they go through to potentially place him in any team quite staggering. Come on, sure, he was good. Sure, he entertained us. But he belongs in an era long past. Let's leave some room for new talent, new adventures, new heroes. Let's not keep running back to that ex that was fantastic 10-15 years ago, but burned all bridges since.

[tpe]

OK, silly season, silly things
Hamilton quits at the end of 2021 with his name in all the records
Max moves to Mercedes.
The, all hell broke loose

[Manoah2u]

This just made me realize.........Alonso signed with Alpine-Renault.
Renault surely is going to make a deal with RedBull Racing.
RBR had interest in Alonso but because of Honda couldn't acquire him.

2022 Alonso moves to RedBull racing alongside Verstappen, or to REPLACE Verstappen whom will move to Aston Martin F1 Team alongside Vettel to replace Stroll?

I once had a history teacher that every day he just hated me. Then one day he tells me "You should really stop doing drugs." I told him I didn't do any, his response was "we'll have you considered?"

I realize it's Silly season but a driver swap with a team that you had a bad relationship with towards the end? Also a team that doesn't take in outside talent. RedBull likes to have driver's from their own academy. Max has way more to give then Alonso in the long run and probably in the short term as well. Alonso might have a good few years left but Max has a long time still to come. I mean I know it's silly season but no. Lol but then again it's 2020.... So who knows...

What on earth are you talking about. Alonso never had a bad relationship with RedBull, they never worked together. With Honda, yes, but honda is out, in case you haven't been keeping up. Matter of fact, RedBull had serious interest in Alonso more than once. Hell, Alonso passed on both Brawn and RedBull before going with Ferrari.
Meanwhile, RBR has admitted they're interested in both Hulk and Perez to replace Albon.

[Racer X]

This just made me realize.........Alonso signed with Alpine-Renault.
Renault surely is going to make a deal with RedBull Racing.
RBR had interest in Alonso but because of Honda couldn't acquire him.

2022 Alonso moves to RedBull racing alongside Verstappen, or to REPLACE Verstappen whom will move to Aston Martin F1 Team alongside Vettel to replace Stroll?

I once had a history teacher that every day he just hated me. Then one day he tells me "You should really stop doing drugs." I told him I didn't do any, his response was "we'll have you considered?"

I realize it's Silly season but a driver swap with a team that you had a bad relationship with towards the end? Also a team that doesn't take in outside talent. RedBull likes to have driver's from their own academy. Max has way more to give then Alonso in the long run and probably in the short term as well. Alonso might have a good few years left but Max has a long time still to come. I mean I know it's silly season but no. Lol but then again it's 2020.... So who knows...

What on earth are you talking about. Alonso never had a bad relationship with RedBull, they never worked together. With Honda, yes, but honda is out, in case you haven't been keeping up. Matter of fact, RedBull had serious interest in Alonso more than once. Hell, Alonso passed on both Brawn and RedBull before going with Ferrari.
Meanwhile, RBR has admitted they're interested in both Hulk and Perez to replace Albon.

The bad relationship I was referring to was the Redbull and Renault one. Which makes* me ask why* would REDBULL want to trade Max with Renault for* or anyone. Like why would they driver swap for? As was suggested.

Or let him go with Aston your old Sponsor who is leaving you. The whole concept is just no.

And then you go on to add that they are Interested In Perez and Hulk?!

And you ask what I'm on about? Haha ...

[Manoah2u]

They are actually interested in Perez and Hulk, perhaps you should read some more news.

https://www.en24news.com/2020/10/formul ... marko.html
https://dailygp.com/en/red-bull-might-s ... -for-2021/

here you go. you ought to tone your stance down a bit.

And who spoke of a driver swap, it was about the potential of signing Alonso IF Verstappen leaves.
If Max leaves, the only place he'll go will be Mercedes powered, so there won't be a 'swap' anyway.

Perez most likely will (still) go to Haas, where his money would bring many benefits, and it's not unlikely that he'll even bring BWT with him as it's likely AMR will not continue with BWT. Media suggested a deal with Perez is put on hold because of some negotiations with Mazepin, however, that rumour is more or less debunked by Haas spokesmen who claims the team is not for sale. That doesn't mean Mazepin can't get a raceseat though.

Obviously, if Perez signs with Haas, he won't be @ RedBull. That same goes for Hulkenberg obviously.
Hulkenberg also remains a bigger question mark than Perez in regards to replacing Albon.

And then it's not sure Albon will be replaced, but the team HAS mentioned concidering looking into the driver market.
Either way, with Tsunoda clearly out of the picture, that takes away atleast one contender for a seat, and makes Kvyat's seat a bit safer. Gasly has been numerous times mentioned to be not going anywhere, as he's a key part of Alpha Tauri's future right now, he's safe there, and he won't be going to RBR. That still doesn't mean Albon is safe, he could still go back to Alpha Tauri and replace Kvyat. Again, I think a Russian aboard the F1 grid is some political play neccesity, so if Kvyat is dumped, i'd expect either Mazepin or Shwartzman to enter F1 in 2021/2022.

If Kvyat is 'dumped' that means undoubtedly that Albon will go there, and then, who will be placed alongside Verstappen?

Fact remains, with Honda out, you can bet that there is a clause that Max can use to 'freely' leave the F1 grid.
Since Honda is out at the end of 2021, that means essentially 2022 Max would be free to go where-ever he pleases, and quite frankly, I think RedBull will very much be concidering how to fix that issue.

Alonso is a guaranteed asset, so signing Alonso could be interesting. That however must mean Alonso would favour RedBull over Alpine. If they have the same engine (Renault, which is 99% guaranteed to happen for 2022), then i'd still bet my money on RBR over Alpine. So IF Max leaves RBR for Mercedes/AstonMartin, then it's not unlikely at all to see Alonso @ RBR.

RedBull ALSO will have to concider the possibility that Alonso will NOT sign, NOR Hamilton, NOR will Max be staying.
In that case, if they don't completely pull the plug from the F1 project, then they'll NEED a strong, fast, experienced driver, and they have NONE in their lineup right now, so they'll HAVE to shop elsewhere, but why wait so long?
Perez fits all the criteria and is available.
Hulkenberg might have less of the 'oumpf' that Perez has but is still a good concideration.

[NathanOlder]

How about with Renault being unhappy with having to supply RedBull. Cyril ends up getting something out of the deal as well. 2021 Max is partnered by Guanyu Zhou?

[Racer X]

How about with Renault being unhappy with having to supply RedBull. Cyril ends up getting something out of the deal as well. 2021 Max is partnered by Guanyu Zhou?

There is no way that Redbull gives up Max... why do people even play with that idea. Max is Redbulls guy for the next 5 to 8 seasons.

[raymondu999]

How about with Renault being unhappy with having to supply RedBull. Cyril ends up getting something out of the deal as well. 2021 Max is partnered by Guanyu Zhou?

I’m pretty sure Renault don’t have to be happy to supply RB, isnt there that clause that forces the least-used engine supplier to supply the teams in the event another engine supplier backs out and an engine supply cant be decided before a deadline?

[Racer X]

here you go. you ought to tone your stance down a bit.

My stance is purely on the idea of Max leaving Redbull they will not let him go with all thats happening no way. Perez and everyone else is a plus or a gable they can afford to take/make. I just dont get when people even think about Max not being at Redbull thats supper unrealistic.

[NathanOlder]

How about with Renault being unhappy with having to supply RedBull. Cyril ends up getting something out of the deal as well. 2021 Max is partnered by Guanyu Zhou?

There is no way that Redbull gives up Max... why do people even play with that idea. Max is Redbulls guy for the next 5 to 8 seasons.

Are you replying to me by mistake? Or have you just not read/misunderstood what I wrote? Max to be partnered by Zhou as Renault place him at RedBull to partner Max. where do I say anything about Max leaving RedBull?

[NathanOlder]

How about with Renault being unhappy with having to supply RedBull. Cyril ends up getting something out of the deal as well. 2021 Max is partnered by Guanyu Zhou?

I’m pretty sure Renault don’t have to be happy to supply RB, isnt there that clause that forces the least-used engine supplier to supply the teams in the event another engine supplier backs out and an engine supply cant be decided before a deadline?

You're quite right but Renault seem to have previous in supplying a not favourable team with 'duff' parts in the past. So for Horner to guarantee he gets good parts, he has to be extra nice to Renault.

Silly season talk in full flow here.

[hUirEYExbN]

here you go. you ought to tone your stance down a bit.

My stance is purely on the idea of Max leaving Redbull they will not let him go with all thats happening no way. Perez and everyone else is a plus or a gable they can afford to take/make. I just dont get when people even think about Max not being at Redbull thats supper unrealistic.

If he wants to leave, he will leave. He's not going to stick with a team that can't win him titles. RB need to show him that they still have the potential, and with Honda leaving that is looking a little less likely now.

[Big Tea]

here you go. you ought to tone your stance down a bit.

My stance is purely on the idea of Max leaving Redbull they will not let him go with all thats happening no way. Perez and everyone else is a plus or a gable they can afford to take/make. I just dont get when people even think about Max not being at Redbull thats supper unrealistic.

If he wants to leave, he will leave. He's not going to stick with a team that can't win him titles. RB need to show him that they still have the potential, and with Honda leaving that is looking a little less likely now.

But to leave, he has to have somewhere to go. Where do you see him going that is (or expects to be ) in a better position from his view?

Merc is the obvious, but they seem to be nailed down for the foreseeable future.
I do not see Ferrari taking him alongside Le Clerc.
Renault will have Alonso, so no.
That leaves Mclaren as a gamble, unless he is looking to AM, which is even more of an unknown.

I really do not see him jumping ship with nowhere to go

[Manoah2u]

My stance is purely on the idea of Max leaving Redbull they will not let him go with all thats happening no way. Perez and everyone else is a plus or a gable they can afford to take/make. I just dont get when people even think about Max not being at Redbull thats supper unrealistic.

If he wants to leave, he will leave. He's not going to stick with a team that can't win him titles. RB need to show him that they still have the potential, and with Honda leaving that is looking a little less likely now.

But to leave, he has to have somewhere to go. Where do you see him going that is (or expects to be ) in a better position from his view?

Merc is the obvious, but they seem to be nailed down for the foreseeable future.
I do not see Ferrari taking him alongside Le Clerc.
Renault will have Alonso, so no.
That leaves Mclaren as a gamble, unless he is looking to AM, which is even more of an unknown.

I really do not see him jumping ship with nowhere to go

Rumours are growing that Honda will help RBR with the engine, i would expect this to be a case of buying the engine and designs, finding a manufacturing location, and paying Honda heads / hiring them to work on the engine.
I would start to wonder myself whether this might be a pre-planned collaboration. I might have to dive into regulations, but I wonder whether that if RedBull has the facilities, that 'copying' the finalized Honda engine, and naming it for example actually a RedBull engine, making them a full works manufacturer (which would be very interesting to be honest), if there might be some exemptions in regards to engine development because they're 'new', and not an existing one.

Honda's exit plans were not new at all, and it's more and more clear that Marko and co knew beforehand. And let's face it, i honestly doubt that these decisions are 'suddenly' made and announced, i think this has been in the pipeline longer than we concider.

So, that would mean that RBR has their OWN engine which they can build EXACTLY like they want. No need for Max to go if that engine is atleast able to give him a podium.

However, again, IF this is not the case and they'll have to settle with a 'customer engine', then first of all, Max is free to go as it seems.

Since RBR can't grant him a WDC this year, and let's face it, unlikely next year, and with a Renault engine it's still a huge question mark, then why wouldn't he go to for example ASTON MARTIN, where he will get a MERCEDES engine.

Max in the Racing Point Mercedes this year, would bring interesting results i'm sure. No doubt with the pink Merc he can beat Albon in the RBR. I wouldn't even be too surprised if he'd actually be in the same WDC position with a pink Merc, since the reliability @ RBR has cost him many points.

But with Aston going full out as of 2021/2022, and as it seems ever so likely that AMG is 'relaxing' it's focus, Aston Martin Racing would be a very interesting move.

[Big Tea]

If he wants to leave, he will leave. He's not going to stick with a team that can't win him titles. RB need to show him that they still have the potential, and with Honda leaving that is looking a little less likely now.

But to leave, he has to have somewhere to go. Where do you see him going that is (or expects to be ) in a better position from his view?

Merc is the obvious, but they seem to be nailed down for the foreseeable future.
I do not see Ferrari taking him alongside Le Clerc.
Renault will have Alonso, so no.
That leaves Mclaren as a gamble, unless he is looking to AM, which is even more of an unknown.

I really do not see him jumping ship with nowhere to go

Rumours are growing that Honda will help RBR with the engine, i would expect this to be a case of buying the engine and designs, finding a manufacturing location, and paying Honda heads / hiring them to work on the engine.
I would start to wonder myself whether this might be a pre-planned collaboration. I might have to dive into regulations, but I wonder whether that if RedBull has the facilities, that 'copying' the finalized Honda engine, and naming it for example actually a RedBull engine, making them a full works manufacturer (which would be very interesting to be honest), if there might be some exemptions in regards to engine development because they're 'new', and not an existing one.

Honda's exit plans were not new at all, and it's more and more clear that Marko and co knew beforehand. And let's face it, i honestly doubt that these decisions are 'suddenly' made and announced, i think this has been in the pipeline longer than we concider.

So, that would mean that RBR has their OWN engine which they can build EXACTLY like they want. No need for Max to go if that engine is atleast able to give him a podium.

However, again, IF this is not the case and they'll have to settle with a 'customer engine', then first of all, Max is free to go as it seems.

Since RBR can't grant him a WDC this year, and let's face it, unlikely next year, and with a Renault engine it's still a huge question mark, then why wouldn't he go to for example ASTON MARTIN, where he will get a MERCEDES engine.

Max in the Racing Point Mercedes this year, would bring interesting results i'm sure. No doubt with the pink Merc he can beat Albon in the RBR. I wouldn't even be too surprised if he'd actually be in the same WDC position with a pink Merc, since the reliability @ RBR has cost him many points.

But with Aston going full out as of 2021/2022, and as it seems ever so likely that AMG is 'relaxing' it's focus, Aston Martin Racing would be a very interesting move.

Well, one of the seats goes to Stroll, and at the moment the other one has Vettl's name on it.

Not sure how long Seb is signed up for, but it is prob 2 years at least, so thats 2023 before he can/would move there.

By this time much would have changed (remember RBR have the engine for 2 years)