Renault R29

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Mitsuhirato wrote:Looks like there is a cable coming out of one. Could be to transfer the electric energy stored in the KERS system, like "unloading" the car. Just a wild guess. It seems to be located a bit ahead of the exhaust.
9.9.2 The system will be considered shut down when all energy is contained within the KERS modules and no high voltage is present on any external or accessible part of any KERS module.

The shutdown process must take no longer than two seconds from activation

I'm not sure they would plug a cable into the system to drain it in the pits. The driver should be able to push a button on his wheel to discharge the stored energy.

If you look closely there are two cable (grey & Black) going into the void.

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Good Point.
This should help a bit:
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To me it looks like the black cable goes into the exhaust. The gray one goes into to the opening. Could they both serve the purpose of refueling? Could that gray cable be some kind of cleaning device? Like a vacuum or something. May be I'm imagining too much.

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vyselegend wrote:Again another strang pic of the R29, I first thought the flap was the fuel trap, but there are two of them (symetrically), and they are quite big. Question: Do you think these are the openable cooling traps, or some quick acces to the KERS? Note that there is a duct entering there.
Nah, the explanation is simpler and somewhat boring.


Circuits can be clockwise and anti-clockwise.

Therefore you need to have gaps for fuel nozzles on both sides of the car as you will refuel from both sides through a season.

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fuel flaps, nothing more nothing less

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:lol: Yes... sometimes the simplest explanation is the right one. I completely forgot that clockwise/anti-clockwise thing.
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Is it just me or does it look like they have cut away some of the nose skirting in this picture.

http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpass_ ... rse_order=

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LOL, that car is so strange-looking that I'm seeing strangeness everywhere while looking at it! :mrgreen:

As you say the simpliest explainations are always the better. Thank's for the clarification kilcoo. :wink:

Still, what are the ducts/ cables doing there?...
crisis641 wrote:Is it just me or does it look like they have cut away some of the nose skirting in this picture.

http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpass_ ... rse_order=
Yeah... :? They removed the only part of the skirt that was legal. :twisted:

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crisis641 wrote:Is it just me or does it look like they have cut away some of the nose skirting in this picture.

http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpass_ ... rse_order=
No - they combined the frontwing / nosecone you might have seen at the presentation in Portugal with the skirting which is fixed to the rest of the nose.

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That picture shows Piquet driving but he only was not scheduled to drive today....

Maybe a photoshop picture?

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ISLAMATRON
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it is an old pic from a couple days ago i believe... the 10th I think.

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Take a look at this youtube video from friday. It seems to me, that the R29 has a much tighter curve radius than the other cars. Maybe I am wrong - so I just ask you guys what you think about it? (2nd/3rd and the 3rd/3rd of the video).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8wyOf4SAgI

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I only see slightly different lines preffered/tested by the drivers. Any car can drive a tight curve radius, you just need to slow down a little.

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ok - probably I was wrong, sry

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spaman wrote:ok - probably I was wrong, sry
Sorry? For what? I'm grateful for that video. You put a link of a video that shows a terrific difference between Rosberg in the FW31 and Alonso in the R29 in the last turn. I mean, Alonso is late-apexing a lot. So it could be that the R29 has a good front end plus low polar inertia, and Alonso prefers to sacrifice some speed in the turn in order to get sooner to the throttle. It also seems to me that the line difference between Hamilton and Alonso in the chicane is much smaller, and the same applies to the fast section near the end of the video.

Question: this year's cars have less downforce but similar drag and power. Could it be that, as turn speed is reduced, late-apexing becomes much more favourable than it used to be with "high downforce" cars?
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Miguel wrote:
spaman wrote:ok - probably I was wrong, sry
Sorry? For what? I'm grateful for that video. You put a link of a video that shows a terrific difference between Rosberg in the FW31 and Alonso in the R29 in the last turn. I mean, Alonso is late-apexing a lot. So it could be that the R29 has a good front end plus low polar inertia, and Alonso prefers to sacrifice some speed in the turn in order to get sooner to the throttle. It also seems to me that the line difference between Hamilton and Alonso in the chicane is much smaller, and the same applies to the fast section near the end of the video.

Question: this year's cars have less downforce but similar drag and power. Could it be that, as turn speed is reduced, late-apexing becomes much more favourable than it used to be with "high downforce" cars?
Your statement is pretty interesting considering the R29s design. Compared to the other 2009 spec cars the R29s front end is - as everybody knows - totally differnt.

What I was thinking is:

The nose cone has on the very front end two steps. This could possibly force the air at high speeds not to "hit" the second, lower step. This would lead to less drag. This in addition to the very simple front wing could be a big advantage at higher speeds.

On the other hand the ground / vacuum effect of the tunnel would be more effective at lower speeds like in fast curves and corners. Additionally the side skirts could stabelize the airflow which couldn´t be achieved by using a high downforce frontwing (at least not in the same way).

I am sorry for my rather bad english. But I am trying hard. :oops:


EDIT: Somewhere else someone pointed out, that the frontwing element which also leads some air in between the wheel and nose could cause a high pressure area, which additionaly stabelizes the air between the side skirts. I thought this was interesting.

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