February Test Thread

[imightbewrong]

Yes some of the racists wore gorilla suits with signs that said "Hamilton's Family" and threw bananas at the track.

This is blatantly false.

how so? Were the news articles and pictures I saw also false?

They were in no gorilla suits, they had their faces painted black and with afro wigs, get your facts straight. Haven't got a clue about the throwing bananas part though, but I haven't heard it mentioned before.

[ISLAMATRON]

This is blatantly false.

how so? Were the news articles and pictures I saw also false?

They were in no gorilla suits, they had their faces painted black and with afro wigs, get your facts straight. Haven't got a clue about the throwing bananas part though, but I haven't heard it mentioned before.

Even if that is true (i remember seeing the gorilla suits in a picture) does that make it any better? Why so much support for racists?

[imightbewrong]

how so? Were the news articles and pictures I saw also false?

They were in no gorilla suits, they had their faces painted black and with afro wigs, get your facts straight. Haven't got a clue about the throwing bananas part though, but I haven't heard it mentioned before.

Even if that is true (i remember seeing the gorilla suits in a picture) does that make it any better? Why so much support for racists?

nobody is supporting racists here, we are just correcting you when you are wrong.

[vyselegend]

ISLAMATRON I'm sorry to intervene but you seem to be involved everytime there is an off-topic skid in a thread, sometimes for entire pages, and quite often filled with agression. I kindly ask you to consider the necessity (and the relevance) of such verbal fights in formula one's threads.

You two are off topic anyway, so please let it rest...

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This would suggest they weren't legal - unless they are part of the air ducts?

Ferrari argued that it was part of the brake ducts when the 248F1's wheel fairing were fitted with some little fins outside of the tyre's profile, so I guess a brake duct is a pretty vague thing...

[i70q7m7ghw]

Macca now running inboard "fairings" as well, soon they'll just box the wheels in completely

3.11.2 With the exception of the air ducts described in Article 11.4, in side view, there must be no bodywork in the area formed by two vertical lines, one 325mm behind the front wheel centre line, one 450mm ahead of the front wheel centre line, one diagonal line intersecting the vertical lines at 100mm and 200mm above the reference plane respectively, and one horizontal line on the reference plane.

This would suggest they weren't legal - unless they are part of the air ducts?

As we have seen with the diffusers everyone interprets things differently

They are obviously part of the air ducts You can see how they are blended in. Ferrari had air ducts shapped like a neutral wing on one of their cars. I think these are perfectly legal. Theres a bit of a culture of "THAT AINT LEGAL" growing around here

[ISLAMATRON]

nobody is supporting racists here, we are just correcting you when you are wrong.

Thats not the pic I seen... maybe there were more than 1 group... the pic I seen was of 3 grown men in gorilla suits being escorted out of the stands. I will pm if I can find... because it is off topic.

Regarding it being off topic... I made a joke, referring to the green paint which happened to be on topic and someone else turned it into a discussion which turned off topic. And there was no aggression on my part. Read the thread.

[Miguel]

First of all, thanks to vyselegend for turning us back to topic.

I think the outer wheel rims are illegal, because they probably exceed the maximum width of 1.80m. They've also been used before, at least they were last year in some Barcelona tests, but never made it to the track. I also heard the maximum width argument used back then. I've got no idea about the inner ones.

[Conceptual]

Macca now running inboard "fairings" as well, soon they'll just box the wheels in completely

3.11.2 With the exception of the air ducts described in Article 11.4, in side view, there must be no bodywork in the area formed by two vertical lines, one 325mm behind the front wheel centre line, one 450mm ahead of the front wheel centre line, one diagonal line intersecting the vertical lines at 100mm and 200mm above the reference plane respectively, and one horizontal line on the reference plane.

This would suggest they weren't legal - unless they are part of the air ducts?

As we have seen with the diffusers everyone interprets things differently

They are obviously part of the air ducts You can see how they are blended in. Ferrari had air ducts shapped like a neutral wing on one of their cars. I think these are perfectly legal. Theres a bit of a culture of "THAT AINT LEGAL" growing around here

This is just the mounting points for a 2/3 diameter fender. All they need to do is now mount the fender to the inboard side, and make the outer fairing click into the groove on the fender, and we can get rid of a TON of drag on these cars!

[MattF1]

First of all, thanks to vyselegend for turning us back to topic.

I think the outer wheel rims are illegal, because they probably exceed the maximum width of 1.80m. They've also been used before, at least they were last year in some Barcelona tests, but never made it to the track. I also heard the maximum width argument used back then. I've got no idea about the inner ones.

They may not have been able to use them last season during races because of the maximum width rule but in testing found that they are a lot better and have made the car narrower this season to accommodate the large wheel covers.

[Miguel]

They may not have been able to use them last season during races because of the maximum width rule but in testing found that they are a lot better and have made the car narrower this season to accommodate the large wheel covers.

That's a good point. It could also make sense with the relative increase in front grip, so that making front end width, I don't know, 2cm less won't hurt the balance of things.

[ISLAMATRON]

What abou air getting trapped between the fairing and the tire, would that not induce a large amount of drag?

Strategically I think McLaren should have left this trick in the bag until Austrailia... we may see this spread to the other teams very quickly.

[Miguel]

What abou air getting trapped between the fairing and the tire, would that not induce a large amount of drag?

Strategically I think McLaren should have left this trick in the bag until Austrailia... we may see this spread to the other teams very quickly.

This is a blog entry from February 2008: http://fakeferrarinews.wordpress.com/20 ... d_content/

You will see the McLaren wheel fairing also used there. No need to read, just scroll down a bit.

[Mitsuhirato]

What abou air getting trapped between the fairing and the tire, would that not induce a large amount of drag?

Strategically I think McLaren should have left this trick in the bag until Austrailia... we may see this spread to the other teams very quickly.

Well that is the purpose of testing... Bringing that to Melbourne without trying it might keep the secret, but it might go wrong too. Besides, raw plagiarism is expected in F1.

[Wilfko]

I dread to think the effects a punctured tyre would have... rip that right off, no inner brake duct and possible damage to kers =/

[ISLAMATRON]

What abou air getting trapped between the fairing and the tire, would that not induce a large amount of drag?

Strategically I think McLaren should have left this trick in the bag until Austrailia... we may see this spread to the other teams very quickly.

Well that is the purpose of testing... Bringing that to Melbourne without trying it might keep the secret, but it might go wrong too. Besides, raw plagiarism is expected in F1.

I think that is a piece they could have tested on friday.