[ 2020 ] Mclaren F1 Team - Renault

[SmallSoldier]

Both cars using the “old” bargeboards and front wings today

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Not surprising since the wings are designed to work with the specific bardgeboards. They almost come as a pair.

They did try to use the new bargeboards with the old wing during FP1 if I’m not wrong... But you are right, they most probably work together.

If they use them jointly next week that will be a great sign... Still optimistic that there is more pace on the car for this season and based on Qualy and the race, pace isn’t that far off to keep fighting the teams around them.


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[CjC]

Also I’d like to add that the the pit crew is below par, did you see the right front guy fumble the tyre onto the hub??

[Emag]

Honestly, RP was an absolute beast today. I think Perez had the pace to finish 4th or even challenge for the podium. He was lapping close to Hamilton's place at some moment with those mediums. We got unlucky this race, but also lucky because Perez got screwed at the start.

The pace with the softs was horrendous after the first 10 laps, but I think it was the right call to try and stretch it a bit, because the hard tires weren't that amazing as demonstrated by Leclerc. And going to mediums at that early stage would have meant that Carlos would have struggled in the end like Ricciardo. Gasly is the only one who had pace on that soft tire today and props to him, he did a great job today. A positive that can be taken from this gp is that it seems that this car can turn the tires on rather quickly compared to the competition. Carlos was absolutely flying in the first 3-4 laps of the gp. The important thing at this point, is to keep developing the car while maintaining 2021 as the primary focus. Getting third in the constructors is going to be extremely difficult, and I personally think it will be determined by consistency and reliability more than anything else, because the pace of the cars is there or thereabouts right now. Also need to watch out for Ferrari with their newfound pace, so none of the 3 teams (McLaren, Renault, RP) can afford 0 point weekends because Ferrari is going to be there to strike.

[bauc]

Great start by both drivers, but another weekend and another missed chance to capitalize on both Renault and RP, plus that moron Stroll who ruined his and Lando's race for nothing .... Good comeback by SAI, hopefully we can have both cars in the points next race.

[SmallSoldier]

Think we’ll be lucky to finish P5 in the constructors guys. It just isn’t going our way this season.

If it’s based on car performance, there is a chance... The fight with both RP’s and Renaults is on... P3 is very much a possibility and there is still enough to play for and we are back in contention performance wise.


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Think we’ll be lucky to finish P5 in the constructors guys. It just isn’t going our way this season.

Why you say this after a race when McLaren scored more points than rp and renault?
And when was last time when you saw a McLaren leading the race?

It’s the whole picture guys.

We aren’t getting any rub of the green this season.
This race was an opportunity to haul ourselves back into P3 with a double points finish but it was Renault who managed the double points and Perez scored a remarkable result after a terrible first lap.
It’s just not happening for us if you ask me.

Throwing developments on the car because we need to use our tokens for the engine change next season which is holding our performance back this season.

I just hope we can get on top of our development woes with another 2 solid Friday practice sessions in Imola.... oh wait it’s a 2 day weekend

I would be concerned if the pace wasn’t there and “good luck” was keeping us in contention, since eventually luck runs out... The fact that we are not leading the fight because of “bad luck” is positive looking forward since it means that the pace of the car is there to fight.

If we are to assess what could happen moving forward, we can only base it on the car, driver and team performance... Those are the controllables and based on what we’ve seeing so far, the team has enough to fight... The luck part, well it can go either way really, hopefully we will get some good luck soon too (and we have had also our fair share of good luck this season also).


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[diffuser]

Both cars using the “old” bargeboards and front wings today

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Not surprising since the wings are designed to work with the specific bardgeboards. They almost come as a pair.

They did try to use the new bargeboards with the old wing during FP1 if I’m not wrong... But you are right, they most probably work together.

If they use them jointly next week that will be a great sign... Still optimistic that there is more pace on the car for this season and based on Qualy and the race, pace isn’t that far off to keep fighting the teams around them.


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Think so. Also, I'll be looking for new parts at the back of the car and maybe tweaks to the new BBs and FW.

[CjC]

I would be concerned if the pace wasn’t there and “good luck” was keeping us in contention, since eventually luck runs out... The fact that we are not leading the fight because of “bad luck” is positive looking forward since it means that the pace of the car is there to fight.

If we are to assess what could happen moving forward, we can only base it on the car, driver and team performance... Those are the controllables and based on what we’ve seeing so far, the team has enough to fight... The luck part, well it can go either way really, hopefully we will get some good luck soon too (and we have had also our fair share of good luck this season also).


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I would tend to agree.
The pace looks nip and tuck for P3.
I’d say luck is 50-50 for now, even if you think back to Monza really it should have been a double podium P2 and P3 if it wasn’t for the safety car/ pit lane closure

[diffuser]

What a tough race and patch of bad luck for Mclaren... Norris getting taken out by Stroll ruined his race and there wasn’t a lot he could do afterwards without a Safety Car.

Carlos drove a great race... Unlucky been lapped by Bottas and then pitting, which gave Gasly a gap that proof critical at the end.

But, the car’s pace on the mediums was decent, they were in the mix... Ahead of both RP’s and both Renaults is what was needed to keep the fight for P3 in the WCC alive.

And there are still more upgrades pending on the car that hopefully will bring that extra missing performance.


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I think the tire choice at the first pitstop(HARD) was the biggest mistake. It took Norris 3 laps to get the tires to work. I know why they made the choice, at the time they didn't know if they could make it to the end of the race on Med... Then the puncture, well, that would have gotten him anyways.

I believe they went for the Hards for 2 reasons, usually the pace settles in the midfield because teams/drivers want to extend the stints, therefore he would be on par or even slightly quicker than the cars in front since he could push those tires to the end (his pace on the Hards was on par with the people on Mediums).

On the other hand, the fact that they had to also change the nose/wing after the contact, they knew they were going to be really behind scoring positions... At that stage, playing for a potential Safety Car was the right move (after what we saw during practice, any car that would have beach itself was going to bring a Safety Car)... Been able to switch at that point to a brand new set of Mediums would have been a great advantage on everyone else (all the Medium runners would have had to go to either Softs or Hards)... I don’t think there was a lot they could have done differently... Having him on Mediums after the crash would have potentially given him a bit more pace for a few laps, but it was so early in the stint that he would have had to nurse them and therefore any pace advantage would have been negated (look at RIC, making an early stop for Mediums, close to when Lando had to pit and how his pace wasn’t that much better and even struggle a bit at the end).


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Ocon got close, if not more than 40 laps on the Mediums. His pace was very good at the end of that session.

[Macklaren]

Honestly, RP was an absolute beast today. I think Perez had the pace to finish 4th or even challenge for the podium. He was lapping close to Hamilton's place at some moment with those mediums. We got unlucky this race, but also lucky because Perez got screwed at the start.

The pace with the softs was horrendous after the first 10 laps, but I think it was the right call to try and stretch it a bit, because the hard tires weren't that amazing as demonstrated by Leclerc. And going to mediums at that early stage would have meant that Carlos would have struggled in the end like Ricciardo. Gasly is the only one who had pace on that soft tire today and props to him, he did a great job today. A positive that can be taken from this gp is that it seems that this car can turn the tires on rather quickly compared to the competition. Carlos was absolutely flying in the first 3-4 laps of the gp. The important thing at this point, is to keep developing the car while maintaining 2021 as the primary focus. Getting third in the constructors is going to be extremely difficult, and I personally think it will be determined by consistency and reliability more than anything else, because the pace of the cars is there or thereabouts right now. Also need to watch out for Ferrari with their newfound pace, so none of the 3 teams (McLaren, Renault, RP) can afford 0 point weekends because Ferrari is going to be there to strike.

Respectfully, I completely disagree. Perez got LUCKY that the spin put him on Mediums at the start of the race. He had zero pace on the Softs and that's why he got passed at the end.

[Macklaren]

Ocon got close, if not more than 40 laps on the Mediums. His pace was very good at the end of that session.

Ummmmmm...Ocon on brand new tires couldn't get close to SAI on 20 lap old tires so not sure what pace you are talking about

[CjC]

Ocon got close, if not more than 40 laps on the Mediums. His pace was very good at the end of that session.

Ummmmmm...Ocon on brand new tires couldn't get close to SAI on 20 lap old tires so not sure what pace you are talking about

Think they meant ‘stint’ rather than ‘session’

[SmallSoldier]

I think the tire choice at the first pitstop(HARD) was the biggest mistake. It took Norris 3 laps to get the tires to work. I know why they made the choice, at the time they didn't know if they could make it to the end of the race on Med... Then the puncture, well, that would have gotten him anyways.

I believe they went for the Hards for 2 reasons, usually the pace settles in the midfield because teams/drivers want to extend the stints, therefore he would be on par or even slightly quicker than the cars in front since he could push those tires to the end (his pace on the Hards was on par with the people on Mediums).

On the other hand, the fact that they had to also change the nose/wing after the contact, they knew they were going to be really behind scoring positions... At that stage, playing for a potential Safety Car was the right move (after what we saw during practice, any car that would have beach itself was going to bring a Safety Car)... Been able to switch at that point to a brand new set of Mediums would have been a great advantage on everyone else (all the Medium runners would have had to go to either Softs or Hards)... I don’t think there was a lot they could have done differently... Having him on Mediums after the crash would have potentially given him a bit more pace for a few laps, but it was so early in the stint that he would have had to nurse them and therefore any pace advantage would have been negated (look at RIC, making an early stop for Mediums, close to when Lando had to pit and how his pace wasn’t that much better and even struggle a bit at the end).


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Ocon got close, if not more than 40 laps on the Mediums. His pace was very good at the end of that session.

But the pace difference wouldn’t have help recover the 15+ seconds lost for the nose change... I guess they could have tried and no harm done, but my guess is that between not knowing how long the Mediums would last and understanding that a Safety Car was the only way to get back in the race, I would have chosen the Hards for that second stint also.


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[101FlyingDutchman]

SAI in after race interview is talking about mid corner understeer that’s inherent in the car currently leading to fast graining. I guess that’s why GAS could keep that soft going a bit better.

I see encouraging signs from the car. That low to medium speed understeer in longer radius corners is costing this car quite a bit of time both in keeping tires in good condition and in terms of ultimate lap time. It has got very good in traction of corners.

But if we really want to move forward then yes the cars are one thing but the pit stops need to go to the next level. Compared to other teams we are very very average. Probably quite poor is a fairer assessment.

NOR homework for next year is 1st lap prowess. He doesn’t necessarily need to gain places but he’s often very kind to others who are more aggressive. A bit more “smart” aggression wouldn’t go amiss.

P6 is probably a fair result all in all.
Let’s take it boys. Encouraging signs. Let’s move forward

[SmallSoldier]

SAI in after race interview is talking about mid corner understeer that’s inherent in the car currently leading to fast graining. I guess that’s why GAS could keep that soft going a bit better.

I see encouraging signs from the car. That low to medium speed understeer in longer radius corners is costing this car quite a bit of time both in keeping tires in good condition and in terms of ultimate lap time. It has got very good in traction of corners.

But if we really want to move forward then yes the cars are one thing but the pit stops need to go to the next level. Compared to other teams we are very very average. Probably quite poor is a fairer assessment.

NOR homework for next year is 1st lap prowess. He doesn’t necessarily need to gain places but he’s often very kind to others who are more aggressive. A bit more “smart” aggression wouldn’t go amiss.

P6 is probably a fair result all in all.
Let’s take it boys. Encouraging signs. Let’s move forward

I believe Norris did really well on the first lap this time around... I still prefer him losing a position than the race in the first lap


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[billamend]

Norris is much better on first laps than last year. He was on the wrong side of the track and did really well.

I believe Mclaren really failed on putting him Hards rather than Mediums. His 2nd stint was terrible.