Yes, they have. The main difference is that those guide vanes in the middle may not be as high anymore and indeed Ferrari tested a diffuser with less long guide vanes, exactly as per the rule.
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Along with a tweet "liveries are meant to last", Red Bull Racing showed off a first image of its new RB16, featuring a nearly identical livery compared to its predecessors.
Yes, they have. The main difference is that those guide vanes in the middle may not be as high anymore and indeed Ferrari tested a diffuser with less long guide vanes, exactly as per the rule.
The high rake concept will be a disadvantage next year due to the smaller floor but, on top of that, because of the abolition of the slots in front of the rear tires.Bandit1216 wrote: ↑29 Oct 2020, 08:53Would high rake be a disadvantage on the 2021 smaller floors because of the sealing of the floor?
Why is the fia constantly making rules to make Mercedes faster anywaysGioKer32 wrote: ↑29 Oct 2020, 11:16The high rake concept will be a disadvantage next year due to the smaller floor but, on top of that, because of the abolition of the slots in front of the rear tires.Bandit1216 wrote: ↑29 Oct 2020, 08:53Would high rake be a disadvantage on the 2021 smaller floors because of the sealing of the floor?
They are fundamental to avoid dirty air going under the car damaging the aerodynamics of the diffuser, so next year diffusers will be way less efficient.
Do they need rules changed for thatryaan2904 wrote: ↑29 Oct 2020, 13:09Why is the fia constantly making rules to make Mercedes faster anywaysGioKer32 wrote: ↑29 Oct 2020, 11:16The high rake concept will be a disadvantage next year due to the smaller floor but, on top of that, because of the abolition of the slots in front of the rear tires.Bandit1216 wrote: ↑29 Oct 2020, 08:53Would high rake be a disadvantage on the 2021 smaller floors because of the sealing of the floor?
They are fundamental to avoid dirty air going under the car damaging the aerodynamics of the diffuser, so next year diffusers will be way less efficient.
Well, It may seem that way, but I'm really wondering why merc isn't copied even more. To me it looks like most are still looking at RB. Wouldn't it be obvious to copy the team that wins every year? It's now the 5th or 6th year In a row RB says, "no low rake, long chassis is bad, short and high rake is better" I'm starting to think they are no longer the best, but they sure a hell are the most stubborn. Just my opinion.ryaan2904 wrote: ↑29 Oct 2020, 13:09Why is the fia constantly making rules to make Mercedes faster anywaysGioKer32 wrote: ↑29 Oct 2020, 11:16The high rake concept will be a disadvantage next year due to the smaller floor but, on top of that, because of the abolition of the slots in front of the rear tires.Bandit1216 wrote: ↑29 Oct 2020, 08:53Would high rake be a disadvantage on the 2021 smaller floors because of the sealing of the floor?
They are fundamental to avoid dirty air going under the car damaging the aerodynamics of the diffuser, so next year diffusers will be way less efficient.
It is not only way of thinking what you did. And when considered teams are working with data's as professionals, it is not generally visible parts of car what makes merc faster but invisible parts and tyre usage. If it were only outside RP also would beat RBR. So it is obvious that aero and what merc gives RP are not parts which make merc fastest.Bandit1216 wrote: ↑30 Oct 2020, 09:28Well, It may seem that way, but I'm really wondering why merc isn't copied even more. To me it looks like most are still looking at RB. Wouldn't it be obvious to copy the team that wins every year? It's now the 5th or 6th year In a row RB says, "no low rake, long chassis is bad, short and high rake is better" I'm starting to think they are no longer the best, but they sure a hell are the most stubborn. Just my opinion.ryaan2904 wrote: ↑29 Oct 2020, 13:09Why is the fia constantly making rules to make Mercedes faster anywaysGioKer32 wrote: ↑29 Oct 2020, 11:16
The high rake concept will be a disadvantage next year due to the smaller floor but, on top of that, because of the abolition of the slots in front of the rear tires.
They are fundamental to avoid dirty air going under the car damaging the aerodynamics of the diffuser, so next year diffusers will be way less efficient.
Year. I have a few ideas what they do. Maybe BS, maybe stupid or plain ignorant, but I've put them in the aero part.etusch wrote: ↑30 Oct 2020, 09:45It is not only way of thinking what you did. And when considered teams are working with data's as professionals, it is not generally visible parts of car what makes merc faster but invisible parts and tyre usage. If it were only outside RP also would beat RBR. So it is obvious that aero and what merc gives RP are not parts which make merc fastest.Bandit1216 wrote: ↑30 Oct 2020, 09:28Well, It may seem that way, but I'm really wondering why merc isn't copied even more. To me it looks like most are still looking at RB. Wouldn't it be obvious to copy the team that wins every year? It's now the 5th or 6th year In a row RB says, "no low rake, long chassis is bad, short and high rake is better" I'm starting to think they are no longer the best, but they sure a hell are the most stubborn. Just my opinion.
That last image bargeboards clearly copy and paste from the one and only Mercedes. One or two post before this someone asked why other teams dont copy the mercs. Well, you got it
Cooling is 30% of the drag, the less cooling you need the less drag you have. The way the air flows inside the chassis is also very important. Remember that the radiators and all the stuff under the skin creates drag, it slows down air relative to the air traveling around the car. It also heats that air above ambient, which interacts with the wake of the car.Bandit1216 wrote: ↑30 Oct 2020, 10:09Year. I have a few ideas what they do. Maybe BS, maybe stupid or plain ignorant, but I've put them in the aero part.etusch wrote: ↑30 Oct 2020, 09:45It is not only way of thinking what you did. And when considered teams are working with data's as professionals, it is not generally visible parts of car what makes merc faster but invisible parts and tyre usage. If it were only outside RP also would beat RBR. So it is obvious that aero and what merc gives RP are not parts which make merc fastest.Bandit1216 wrote: ↑30 Oct 2020, 09:28
Well, It may seem that way, but I'm really wondering why merc isn't copied even more. To me it looks like most are still looking at RB. Wouldn't it be obvious to copy the team that wins every year? It's now the 5th or 6th year In a row RB says, "no low rake, long chassis is bad, short and high rake is better" I'm starting to think they are no longer the best, but they sure a hell are the most stubborn. Just my opinion.
What's copied? They have to have some of the same features because they both have capes, but the actual shape of the bargeboards are very different. Mercedes has a dual element channel at the edge of the bargeboard, whereas RBR has those two wavy winglets. The venetian blinds are different as well, as are the boomerang elements.
