[ 2020 ] Mclaren F1 Team - Renault

[michl420]

P3 is still realistic. The speed is there, next tracks are better for overtaking, and the temperatures will be higher (which i think will suit us). And this race shows how important it is to bring 2 cars in the points.

[bauc]

P3 is still realistic. The speed is there, next tracks are better for overtaking, and the temperatures will be higher (which i think will suit us). And this race shows how important it is to bring 2 cars in the points.

100% percent agree with this, we need both cars in the points if we want to finish 3rd, all options are at play till the end

[diffuser]

I rather Finishing P4 to Renault than RP.

[proteus]

Money reward will be slim anyway, so it is only about bragging rights and for sponsor fees. But i rather see them 5th in the end, if that means they can prepare themself properly for next year and get the 3rd then.

[SmallSoldier]

P3 is still realistic. The speed is there, next tracks are better for overtaking, and the temperatures will be higher (which i think will suit us). And this race shows how important it is to bring 2 cars in the points.

100% percent agree with this, we need both cars in the points if we want to finish 3rd, all options are at play till the end

All in all, best possible outcome for a very tough race... Carlos had pace, but it was just way too difficult to overtake.

A lot of talk about “bad luck”, but in reality luck played in our favor today... Gasly and Max retiring gave us a couple positions based on how we started the race... Albon’s spin gave us an additional position... Ferrari’s pit problem avoided Vettel from potentially coming in front of at least Lando... It could be argued that RP also helped by screwing their strategy with Sergio... I have to admit that for the first time I was rooting for Kvyat to make that overtake on RIC.

A very rough patch of races is hopefully over, the team is still fighting for P3 which is completely in within reach with 4 races to play... They also have a couple weeks to keep getting on top of the new package.


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[CjC]

Money reward will be slim anyway, so it is only about bragging rights and for sponsor fees. But i rather see them 5th in the end, if that means they can prepare themself properly for next year and get the 3rd then.

I’ll be interested to see where Mclaren with a Merc stacks up against the Ferrari with it’s more powerful PU

[CjC]

Speaking of PUs... where are we with allocation? I believe Lando has a few components in various broken pieces but as for the rest I can’t remember

[McG]

I rather Finishing P4 to Renault than RP.

Agreed. Renault deserve it over RP. But it's a real shame seeing McLaren dip in form and even Ferrari might be faster now. If Vettel hadn't given up this year Ferrari would be much closer in the points. Are AT faster now? McLaren are not looking in a good place recently. Think the first few races this season have flattered McLaren.

Looks like if these new updates aren't enough. McLaren are saying they are working as expected so there's not much more Norris and Sainz can do. McLaren are 6th fastest at best at the moment and will do well to hang onto 4th in the constructors.

What will be the reasoning from McLaren and people here if McLaren finish 5th even 6th in the constructors? What will be the positive spin? Genuine question.

[Chicane]

As i had opined yesterday today the Renault was not faster than the Mclaren, it was Ricciardo who made the difference. When Mclaren had two cars in top ten, in contrast to RP and Renault they should have split the strategies by pitting one of their two drivers during safety car. In midfield you have to take risks when there is a a potential for a big result. Way too passive and went through motions both the drivers and the race team.

[Darth-Piekus]

I dont think we are 6th fastest. We are between 3rd fastest to 6th fastest depending on race. The difference is miniscule. Also I wouldn't say Perez and Stroll are underperforming. Racing Point is losing ground in my opinion and they are just capitalizing from the tyre rule. As for Ocon and Vettel I would say that Leclerc and Ricciardo are the ones that are using 100% of their cars which I can't say for Sainz and Norris and with these differences being miniscule even 1% would make a tenth or two.

[McG]

Hope you're right. I think McLaren still have a way to go for the team to gel and be able to ever finish 3rd in the championship. They need that little extra something and that is coming in the form of a new wind tunnel and Merc engines and Ricciardo.

[SmallSoldier]

I rather Finishing P4 to Renault than RP.

Agreed. Renault deserve it over RP. But it's a real shame seeing McLaren dip in form and even Ferrari might be faster now. If Vettel hadn't given up this year Ferrari would be much closer in the points. Are AT faster now? McLaren are not looking in a good place recently. Think the first few races this season have flattered McLaren.

Looks like if these new updates aren't enough. McLaren are saying they are working as expected so there's not much more Norris and Sainz can do. McLaren are 6th fastest at best at the moment and will do well to hang onto 4th in the constructors.

What will be the reasoning from McLaren and people here if McLaren finish 5th even 6th in the constructors? What will be the positive spin? Genuine question.

I wouldn’t say that the car is the “6th fastest”, performance varies so much from race to race and we have had a few unrepresentative once lately too (like Germany)... Also a couple races were external factors masked performance (Sainz in Mugello, Norris in Portimao).

After listening to Carlos in the post race interview, he mentions that they were probably 2-3 tenths faster than the guys in front of them, but it just wasn’t possible to overtake in Imola without a huge pace difference (Perez attack on Leclerc on new Softs versus very old Hards is a good example of that)... They could have setup the car also more towards race pace than qualifying pace.

Positive spin of finishing 5th or 6th? I don’t think there will be a positive spin if that’s the case... I wouldn’t call it a disaster of a season or that the team trails the midfield, simply they couldn’t maximize points when they needed to and that would be the result of those mistakes during the season (Pitstop issues in the first half for example).

So far they are 10 points away from what they achieved last season in terms of points (145) with 4 races to go and in a shorter season... I don’t think the doom and gloom is warranted.


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[SmallSoldier]

I dont think we are 6th fastest. We are between 3rd fastest to 6th fastest depending on race. The difference is miniscule. Also I wouldn't say Perez and Stroll are underperforming. Racing Point is losing ground in my opinion and they are just capitalizing from the tyre rule. As for Ocon and Vettel I would say that Leclerc and Ricciardo are the ones that are using 100% of their cars which I can't say for Sainz and Norris and with these differences being miniscule even 1% would make a tenth or two.

Stroll is underperforming by a huge margin... RP with another driver (like Hulk) would be comfortably in P3 in the Championship at this point.


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[the EDGE]

What will be the reasoning from McLaren and people here if McLaren finish 5th even 6th in the constructors? What will be the positive spin? Genuine question.

That’s a simple answer

Money can be acquired but CFD & wind tunnel time can’t, and the lower you finish the more you get in preparation for 22

Also

Getting the jump on next years aero package this year is a big plus, if it looses McLaren third trying to get it to work at least it has allowed them to understand it better and they have the winter break to remedy

And back to the fight for 3rd... Carlos’ 2nd place is a big benefit in the event of a tie after final race. I can’t rule it out but it’s going to be hard for Renault & TP to match it

[McG]

Will McLaren be able to have a good development of the 2021 car and the 2022 car though? If they are concentrating more on the 2021 car with the updates at this point, then they will surely have to keep development focused on 2021 all through 2021 or it will just end up the same as this year with no benefits to 2022. Wouldn't they have been better leaving the 2021 focused updates aside and concentrating on this year, going through some pain next year and focus more on 2022?