Regenerative systems (KERS)

[RacingManiac]

Not sure whether this has been mentioned, but a recent issue of Racecar Engineering(one with the Bloodhound SSC on the cover) has an article on Bosch's commercially available scalable KERS system. Not a terribly technical article but interesting nonetheless in how they have setup their solution. Their system can be used for both Li-ion batt as well as flywheel setup for energy storage, and pending on the application and regulation constraint they can scale-up the system by adding more battery OR flywheels. The latter comes in pairs to cancel out the potential gyroscopic effect by the spinning mass....

[ISLAMATRON]

How much does the mass of a battery increase while it is being charged?

zero

if we could store mechanical energy by converting it to mass and mass back into mechanical energy that would be nice

It was a rhetorical question but yes its pretty damn close to zero.... but I think the opposite of what you said would be more useful... mass to energy than back to mass... but hey same thing right.

[xpensive]

I might very well be completely out of my depth here, but shouldn't the mass of the electrical battery in principle change in relation to E = mc^2?

[MattF1]

No - this is a chemical, not nuclear reaction.

EDIT, thinking about it i'm not so sure.

EDIT2:
Even if it is true that



Speed of light in free space is (approx):

Max permitted energy from fully empty to stored is



Not really going to make any negligible difference really.

[xpensive]

It's obviously not a nuclear reaction, but I still believe E=mc^2 is relevant.

Afraid you forgot the square, when 400 kJ will mean m = 4.44E-12 kg, or 4.4 millionth of a milligram, correct?

[MattF1]

It's obviously not a nuclear reaction, but I still believe E=mc^2 is relevant.

Afraid you forgot the square, when 400 kJ will mean m = 4.44E-12 kg, or 4.4 millionth of a milligram, correct?

Sorry, forgot to square C

But the max permitted energy stored is only 300kJ so it is

[joseff]

...
joseff, shouldn't your 1985 post be already posted if Mr. Fusion will work? So, if it isn't posted, then it won't work.

Have you checked the F1technical BBS?

[Ciro Pabón]

...
joseff, shouldn't your 1985 post be already posted if Mr. Fusion will work? So, if it isn't posted, then it won't work.

Have you checked the F1technical BBS?

Why don't you make yourself a promise to inform us in your next post, once you travel in time? You only have to dial 18-Feb-2009 and make a short stop.

BTW, will Honda survive? Don't forget to post here the Sports Almanac for 2009-2019... Oh, and what kind of KERS do they use in 2019? Has the engine been entirely replaced by the KERS?

[DaveKillens]

Williams have ruled out using Formula One's new Kinetic Energy Recovery System (Kers) at the season-opening Australian Grand Prix.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/motorsp ... 896818.stm

[RacingManiac]

BTW, will Honda survive? Don't forget to post here the Sports Almanac for 2009-2019... Oh, and what kind of KERS do they use in 2019? Has the engine been entirely replaced by the KERS?

The race starts by having the mechanics push the car off the line(the sole energy input, the breakfast they had on race day)......

[alexbarwell]

Maybe if nuclear were an option then the Iranians might buy up the Honda team

[safeaschuck]

How about, fit all cars with an EFTPOS terminal which siphons money out of Bernie's bank account based on the amount of fuel they are using.
So as to give him a fighting chance (and a reason not to jump ship) it should be set to today's levels of fuel consumption as a baseline, and the financial penalty calculated to only cancel out any profits made since the last race weekend, minus the minimum wage of the country the race is being held in, or the country in which he is registered for Tax purposes, whichever is greater, multiplied by the amount of hours he actually spent trackside during the build up and race.
I think FOTA would vote for it.
The money raised could be deposited with the alternative energies working group based at the old Honda factory where all current F1 teams would be contractually obliged to send chief engineers on secondment for the equivalent of 1 month a year.

Asian market news: Origami Bank folded; Bonsai Bank's cutting back it's branches; Kamikaze Bank nose dived; 500 staff at Karate Bank got the chop.

[modbaraban]

The race starts by having the mechanics push the car off the line(the sole energy input, the breakfast they had on race day)......

But why the mechanics? The trend is to make the driver more in control, isn't it? F1 starts would look like this.

[ISLAMATRON]

Maybe if nuclear were an option then the Iranians might buy up the Honda team

Actually the Isrealis would have bought it 20 years ago, but never acknowledged it and then gave part of it to Aparthied South Africa and India.

[pipex]

I predict that future cost cutting will lead to races being simulated and created in CG using the parameters of each driver and car. This will lead to major cost cutting, allowing people to run many teams in the virtual world. Each driver will need to pay superlicence fees to the FIA, and teams will distribute the profits with the FOM. This won't need any energy recovery devices, and will not waste any amount of energy, except for the computer animators workstations...