2020 Turkish Grand Prix - Instanbul Park, Nov 13 - 15

[Zynerji]

What a chaotic qualifying. Everyone who wants to see more of that must be more into show than racing.

I feel the same way, it felt silly and artificial because it was almost a crap-shoot for whoever got the tyres working well.

That grid lineup is in no way indicative of driver skill, which apparently is all we rely on in conditions like this lol. I think Max is odds on for the win tomorrow from the front row. Unless it's dry and then I expect maybe the Mercedes to make their way through.

Getting the tyres working is literally the game at all tracks and conditions.

The only "crap shoot" is what team sorts it out best, and today that team is Racing Point.

Don't try to dim their shine just because it wasn't another merc pole by over 1 sec.... That is the trash that gets boring.

[Scorpaguy]

Most interesting quali session in years. As for it being a "feces extravaganza", I have to respectfully disagree. The conditions were the same for all the drivers. As for thinking it unfair/unrepresentative because of the disparities between the cars that could "turn on" the tires vs those that "could not" turn on the tires......yeah, no need to comment on that

Rain Masters...Max, Lance, Kimi

Gila Monsters...Lec. Gros, Lat

[dans79]

Don't try to dim their shine just because it wasn't another merc pole by over 1 sec.... That is the trash that gets boring.

Oh please, it's blatantly obvious to anyone who actually follows the technical side of formula one that this is a crap shoot weekend.

None of the cars are designed to race in these type of conditions. So who got the tires to work and who didn't is down to pure luck and nothing more!

The trash that gets boring, is the people that come out of the wood work every time Merc isn't on pole, or has an issue.

[LM10]

What's the definition of racing?

Merc crushing everyone, Lewis crying about tyres and then posting fast laps. This should cover it.

There you go. This has been F1 for 7 years now and some of the rationale fans of Mercedes would be yawning on couch with the current "Racing". A bit of change is welcome. On pure performance, Mercedes was nowhere today. Deserving guy did well when it mattered today. Anyone that did not like the show, well deal with it please.

A bit of change is welcome for me as well. But what we've seen today was way more than just a bit of a change. It was pure chaos with an end result not indicative of driver skills (like Silo pointed out) or car performance at all. Max was 10 seconds faster than both Racing Points in Q1 and 3-4 seconds faster in Q2 and then boom, pole for Stroll. Almost the same goes for Albon btw, who also was significantly faster than both. What exactly does this prove? Better driving skills or better car performance? I guess even Racing Point themselves don't have an explanation for that other than luck of having had a better outlap or whatever.
How does wet track even out car differences and benefit more skilled drivers when you have Giovinazzi outperforming clearly better drivers and getting into top 10?

F1 is overengineered to the point that an oily and slippery resurfaced track with rain and overnight changes to tyre pressures in combination make up for too much of changes that the results depend more on luck than any other thing. I know it's same conditions for everyone, but at some point I'm sure you can't really prepare for all those factors anymore and just go out on track and hope for the best which I assume we've seen today.

[PlatinumZealot]

What a chaotic qualifying. Everyone who wants to see more of that must be more into show than racing.

I feel the same way, it felt silly and artificial because it was almost a crap-shoot for whoever got the tyres working well.

That grid lineup is in no way indicative of driver skill, which apparently is all we rely on in conditions like this lol. I think Max is odds on for the win tomorrow from the front row. Unless it's dry and then I expect maybe the Mercedes to make their way through.

Getting the tyres working is literally the game at all tracks and conditions.

The only "crap shoot" is what team sorts it out best, and today that team is Racing Point.

Don't try to dim their shine just because it wasn't another merc pole by over 1 sec.... That is the trash that gets boring.

Lance had the perfect lap but he was beatable if Sergio and Max had perfect laps too.

[godlameroso]

Don't try to dim their shine just because it wasn't another merc pole by over 1 sec.... That is the trash that gets boring.

Oh please, it's blatantly obvious to anyone who actually follows the technical side of formula one that this is a crap shoot weekend.

None of the cars are designed to race in these type of conditions. So who got the tires to work and who didn't is down to pure luck and nothing more!

The trash that gets boring, is the people that come out of the wood work every time Merc isn't on pole, or has an issue.

The cars are designed to race on tarmac, this is a tarmac track, and the facilities and track features were designed with F1 cars in mind, it is a grade 1 circuit afterall. To claim that cars are designed for the conditions or not is incorrect, it is part of a team's preparation. There is no "crapshoots" you either prepare, or fail to prepare, and if you fail to prepare, prepare to fail.

[FrukostScones]

I finally found out the mreaning of FIA
Full Incompetence Applied.

[Sieper]

Listen, Dans, I am 100% sure Mercedes had some kind of set-up issue here, somehow not generating heat (even with DAS) or stalling the floor maybe? But when that happens it happens, it is not just pure luck. Ferrari also had trouble setting up. A bit unfair to say “come out of the wood”. In fact, there has been no trash talking about Lewis (or merc) at all. They go from front row lockout To front row lockout. Somehow not this weekend, by a margin. Something went wrong and you can’t just write it down to luck. It remains to be seen if Lewis cannot still win tomorrow. The few long runs we had it seemed Merc in his hands was the fastest of the bunch.

[Mogster]

Don't try to dim their shine just because it wasn't another merc pole by over 1 sec.... That is the trash that gets boring.

Oh please, it's blatantly obvious to anyone who actually follows the technical side of formula one that this is a crap shoot weekend.

None of the cars are designed to race in these type of conditions. So who got the tires to work and who didn't is down to pure luck and nothing more!

The trash that gets boring, is the people that come out of the wood work every time Merc isn't on pole, or has an issue.

The cars are designed to race on tarmac, this is a tarmac track, and the facilities and track features were designed with F1 cars in mind, it is a grade 1 circuit afterall. To claim that cars are designed for the conditions or not is incorrect, it is part of a team's preparation. There is no "crapshoots" you either prepare, or fail to prepare, and if you fail to prepare, prepare to fail.

The cars aren’t designed to race with this little grip, the aero isn’t designed for going sideways...

Istanbul Park is a great track, I really wanted to see the 2020 cars barrelling round. I find all this sliding around at 20% throttle and understeer at 50mph frustrating to watch.

[godlameroso]

Oh please, it's blatantly obvious to anyone who actually follows the technical side of formula one that this is a crap shoot weekend.

None of the cars are designed to race in these type of conditions. So who got the tires to work and who didn't is down to pure luck and nothing more!

The trash that gets boring, is the people that come out of the wood work every time Merc isn't on pole, or has an issue.

The cars are designed to race on tarmac, this is a tarmac track, and the facilities and track features were designed with F1 cars in mind, it is a grade 1 circuit afterall. To claim that cars are designed for the conditions or not is incorrect, it is part of a team's preparation. There is no "crapshoots" you either prepare, or fail to prepare, and if you fail to prepare, prepare to fail.

That's how the track is, you guys were expecting something that was never going to happen. Perhaps once the track rubbers in tomorrow if it's a dry race we'll get some decent lap times. However sector 3 and 1 are painfully slow and you have to tip toe around most of those corners, it's just the nature of the track.
The cars aren’t designed to race with this little grip, the aero isn’t designed for going sideways...

Istanbul Park is a great track, I really wanted to see the 2020 cars barrelling round. I find all this sliding around at 20% throttle and understeer at 50mph frustrating to watch.

[dans79]

Listen, Dans, I am 100% sure Mercedes had some kind of set-up issue here, somehow not generating heat (even with DAS) or stalling the floor maybe? But when that happens it happens, it is not just pure luck. Ferrari also had trouble setting up. A bit unfair to say “come out of the wood”. In fact, there has been no trash talking about Lewis (or merc) at all. They go from front row lockout To front row lockout. Somehow not this weekend, by a margin. Something went wrong and you can’t just write it down to luck. It remains to be seen if Lewis cannot still win tomorrow. The few long runs we had it seemed Merc in his hands was the fastest of the bunch.

It is just down to luck, because none of the teams design their cars for weather this cold, let alone weather this cold plus rain.

Do you really think that when any of the teams sat down to design their 2020 car they considered weather conditions like this?

[Mogster]

Listen, Dans, I am 100% sure Mercedes had some kind of set-up issue here, somehow not generating heat (even with DAS) or stalling the floor maybe? But when that happens it happens, it is not just pure luck. Ferrari also had trouble setting up. A bit unfair to say “come out of the wood”. In fact, there has been no trash talking about Lewis (or merc) at all. They go from front row lockout To front row lockout. Somehow not this weekend, by a margin. Something went wrong and you can’t just write it down to luck. It remains to be seen if Lewis cannot still win tomorrow. The few long runs we had it seemed Merc in his hands was the fastest of the bunch.

It is just down to luck, because none of the teams design their cars for weather this cold, let alone weather this cold plus rain.

Do you really think that when any of the teams sat down to design their 2020 car they considered weather conditions like this?

Exactly. For many any time Mercedes struggle is a good time.

I hope the race is better, this has been a terrible event so far.

[PlatinumZealot]

Car wasn't working the tyres so not his battle. He was quite happy with his sixth spot.
It either Max or Sergio's pole to take but Lance did a better job when it counted.

[Zynerji]

Don't try to dim their shine just because it wasn't another merc pole by over 1 sec.... That is the trash that gets boring.

Oh please, it's blatantly obvious to anyone who actually follows the technical side of formula one that this is a crap shoot weekend.

None of the cars are designed to race in these type of conditions. So who got the tires to work and who didn't is down to pure luck and nothing more!

The trash that gets boring, is the people that come out of the wood work every time Merc isn't on pole, or has an issue.

"Pure Luck", huh?

You should tell the hundreds of folks that work at Racing Point of your opinion of them getting it "right" while others epically failed under the same circumstances.

They would probably tell you their opinion of your viewpoint, and remind you of how little it matters.

[browney]

Personally, I wish the cars always had more power than grip. This is an extreme, but so is being able to floor it though a bunch of corners that were a challenge up until this generation of cars.