2020 Turkish Grand Prix - Instanbul Park, Nov 13 - 15

[Zynerji]

I feel the same way, it felt silly and artificial because it was almost a crap-shoot for whoever got the tyres working well.

That grid lineup is in no way indicative of driver skill, which apparently is all we rely on in conditions like this lol. I think Max is odds on for the win tomorrow from the front row. Unless it's dry and then I expect maybe the Mercedes to make their way through.

Getting the tyres working is literally the game at all tracks and conditions.

The only "crap shoot" is what team sorts it out best, and today that team is Racing Point.

Don't try to dim their shine just because it wasn't another merc pole by over 1 sec.... That is the trash that gets boring.

Lance had the perfect lap but he was beatable if Sergio and Max had perfect laps too.

...but they didn't, as their talent was not enough to deliver under the circumstances. So whats your point?

[dans79]

You should tell the hundreds of folks that work at Racing Point of your opinion of them getting it "right" while others epically failed under the same circumstances.

They would probably tell you their opinion of your viewpoint, and remind you of how little it matters.

I have no problem standing toe to toe with some and telling them exactly what i think.

And Stroll being on Poll is luck or more like bad luck for Max. If he hadn't been stuck behind kimi his tires would probably have been up to temp and he would have been on pole.

[Zynerji]

You should tell the hundreds of folks that work at Racing Point of your opinion of them getting it "right" while others epically failed under the same circumstances.

They would probably tell you their opinion of your viewpoint, and remind you of how little it matters.

I have no problem standing toe to toe with some and telling them exactly what i think.

And Stroll being on Poll is luck or more like bad luck for Max. If he hadn't been stuck behind kimi his tires would probably have been up to temp and he would have been on pole.

If, if, if.

I'm satisfied with what is more than what it could have been.

And I would never take away from an underdog outperforming a favorite in any sport. It literally is the Cinderella Story that captivates the imagination of the masses.

Piling on numbers of your favorite driver in a record book simply isn't very interesting...

The only thing worse than watching RBR destroy all competitors for 4 straight years is watching Merc do it for 7 straight.

Racing Point deserve full accolades, and not to be belittled as "Lucky" when they come out on top.

[Phil]

I think Mercedes got it wrong big time in QF. They were always last in going out? got the tire wrong (wets), late again for the change and then were also impacted by the yellows on both of their only attempts in Q3?

[LM10]

You should tell the hundreds of folks that work at Racing Point of your opinion of them getting it "right" while others epically failed under the same circumstances.

They would probably tell you their opinion of your viewpoint, and remind you of how little it matters.

I have no problem standing toe to toe with some and telling them exactly what i think.

And Stroll being on Poll is luck or more like bad luck for Max. If he hadn't been stuck behind kimi his tires would probably have been up to temp and he would have been on pole.

If, if, if.

I'm satisfied with what is more than what it could have been.

And I would never take away from an underdog outperforming a favorite in any sport. It literally is the Cinderella Story that captivates the imagination of the masses.

Piling on numbers of your favorite driver in a record book simply isn't very interesting...

The only thing worse than watching RBR destroy all competitors for 4 straight years is watching Merc do it for 7 straight.

Racing Point deserve full accolades, and not to be belittled as "Lucky" when they come out on top.

How about Racing Point copying a car which was perfect on wet conditions last year, yet only extracting enough performance out of it ending up somewhere in the midfield in Q1 and Q2 today, just to get pole eventually? Looking at these circumstances I can't help, but think that it indeed was more luck than having built a car, put a race master in it and done a better job understanding the track and the car than any other team.

[Mogster]

I think Mercedes got it wrong big time in QF. They were always last in going out? got the tire wrong (wets), late again for the change and then were also impacted by the yellows on both of their only attempts in Q3?

If they couldn’t get the wets to work in the conditions would the inters really have been better? Max was raging about being put on inters, would his aborted lap on wets have been fast enough for pole?

Apparently Bottas spun on his final run, at least that’s what Sky reported, so one set of yellows was for him. I’m not sure who went out first and if he compromised Lewis by going off.

[djones]

I wonder what the odds are of both Mercedes being lapped in the race.

Thats got to be worth a cheeky 5 euro.

[Zynerji]

I have no problem standing toe to toe with some and telling them exactly what i think.

And Stroll being on Poll is luck or more like bad luck for Max. If he hadn't been stuck behind kimi his tires would probably have been up to temp and he would have been on pole.

If, if, if.

I'm satisfied with what is more than what it could have been.

And I would never take away from an underdog outperforming a favorite in any sport. It literally is the Cinderella Story that captivates the imagination of the masses.

Piling on numbers of your favorite driver in a record book simply isn't very interesting...

The only thing worse than watching RBR destroy all competitors for 4 straight years is watching Merc do it for 7 straight.

Racing Point deserve full accolades, and not to be belittled as "Lucky" when they come out on top.

How about Racing Point copying a car which was perfect on wet conditions last year, yet only extracting enough performance out of it ending up somewhere in the midfield in Q1 and Q2 today, just to get pole eventually? Looking at these circumstances I can't help, but think that it indeed was more luck than having built a car, put a race master in it and done a better job understanding the track and the car than any other team.

Well, they are on pole.

That means they did a better job than the rest.

Why is that so difficult to admit?

[Juzh]

Lets not pretend anyone was truly faster than Verstappen today. Stroll made up the most of what he was given and rightfully took pole, but Verstappen had everyone schooled right up to a point when red bull pulled him in to switch to inter. He was on course to set a laptime that was only 1s slower than Stroll's pole lap already on his second q3 lap before aborting and pitting. Track was getting better all the time and with proper tyre temps, no traffic and continuous running Verstappen would take this probably with a similar margin as it was in Q1 and Q2.

Verstappen will make mincemeat of Stroll in the race anyway, as I don't expect him to have any kind of race pace to speak of. If Perez can get ahead of Verstappen, then it's a different story.

[wesley123]

What a chaotic qualifying. Everyone who wants to see more of that must be more into show than racing.

I feel the same way, it felt silly and artificial because it was almost a crap-shoot for whoever got the tyres working well.

Isn't that generally the whole thing with every sport ever?

That grid lineup is in no way indicative of driver skill, which apparently is all we rely on in conditions like this lol. I think Max is odds on for the win tomorrow from the front row. Unless it's dry and then I expect maybe the Mercedes to make their way through.

Which is it? The one who got their material working the best(ie. the better driver), or the material itself?

It's funny, because people always say that rain or changing conditions is the great equalizer, but now that Stroll owned the field this suddenly doesn't apply anymore? Does Lawrence own a coffee business or something, because apparently Stroll has been pissing in a lot of people's coffee.

[dans79]

It literally is the Cinderella Story that captivates the imagination of the masses.

I couldn't care less about that masses. They are why we had to simplify the tire compound naming scheme, have dumb tire usage graphics, driver of the day bs, etc etc etc......

[PlatinumZealot]

Personally, I wish the cars always had more power than grip. This is an extreme, but so is being able to floor it though a bunch of corners that were a challenge up until this generation of cars.

They actually do! In 2014 when driveability wasn't dialed in the cars were burning tyres regularly. You could hear the screeching quite loudly on TV. Teams of course mapped the engines/MUGK for driveability after that.

[search]

I think Mercedes got it wrong big time in QF. They were always last in going out? got the tire wrong (wets), late again for the change and then were also impacted by the yellows on both of their only attempts in Q3?

maybe things didn't go perfect, but that's surely no excuse for being 4-5s slower than Verstappen on the same tire (full wet) in Q3. They were just hopeless in terms of getting heat into whatever kind of tire all weekend, and I actually think in dirty air it's going to be even worse tomorrow.

[NathanOlder]

Whatever happens tomorrow at the front with Max and the Pink cars wont matter in the slightest, as tomorrow will be the day Lewis becomes the grestest driver of all time in the statistics. So that will likely overshadow anything that Racing Point or RedBull do.

[PlatinumZealot]

Lance had the perfect lap but he was beatable if Sergio and Max had perfect laps too.

...but they didn't, as their talent was not enough to deliver under the circumstances. So whats your point?
[/quote]

Sounds like you got the point but no need to take digs at Max and Sergio! They simply dropped the ball is all.