2020 Bahrain Grand Prix - Sakhir, Nov 27 - 29

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taperoo2k wrote:
29 Nov 2020, 17:46
DRCorsa wrote:
29 Nov 2020, 17:22
Do you guys think that coolant is that flammable????
The rear of the car was intact without any fire. So the fire was mainly in the front.
I bet they could have some oil or even fuel inside...
The fuel tank is located between the engine and the driver. I'd not be surprised if the fuel tank got punctured and the fuel ignited within milliseconds. Grosjean is very lucky to have walked away from that, with what look like minor injuries. The Halo looks to have played a pivotal role in saving Grosjean today, along with all the other safety features built into the car.
From what i have understood, fuel tank was intact and attached to the rear part of the car. No fire there.
The fire was on the radiators, so the antifreeze was the cause of the fire.
Is normal antifreeze such flammable as this?
If you add some oil or fuel, then yes!

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Now that was a great shot! SAI on LEC
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Sky said there was talk it was the fuel feeder or collection pipe (or similar) that got punctured or severed. They thought if it was the whole tank it would have been an even bigger fireball.

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Restomaniac wrote:
29 Nov 2020, 17:58
214270 wrote:
29 Nov 2020, 17:54
Restomaniac wrote:
29 Nov 2020, 17:52
I’m pretty sure if Romain could clear himself from that earlier then a driver could clear himself in that situation too.

Your argument is illogical.
What if GRO was upside down though?
What if the barriers had been made of Marshmellow? Maybe the Marshalls could have had a lovely mid race snack.
I only ask as we are now going to the realms just making stuff up it seems. :wink:
I hear you, but it’s still an interesting thought experiment.
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214270 wrote:
29 Nov 2020, 18:00
Now that was a great shot! SAI on LEC
indeed. I love when a driver comes off the brakes and rolls past like that, takes great skill and looks cool as hell.

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214270 wrote:
29 Nov 2020, 18:02
Restomaniac wrote:
29 Nov 2020, 17:58
214270 wrote:
29 Nov 2020, 17:54


What if GRO was upside down though?
What if the barriers had been made of Marshmellow? Maybe the Marshalls could have had a lovely mid race snack.
I only ask as we are now going to the realms just making stuff up it seems. :wink:
I hear you, but it’s still an interesting thought experiment.
True but the physics of it would make it far move unlikely. On its top the car would be far more like a snow plough that would impact the bottom of the barrier.

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The Ferrari looks rotten here. Just going backwards. Vettel THREE seconds behind magnussen

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Max and Perez on hards to go the rest of the race, Hamilton on a 2nd set o f mediums. Unless Hamilton can get a shift on, they've just given Max the win. Currently Max is faster so it's looking like Max's race to lose from here.
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El Scorchio wrote:
29 Nov 2020, 18:02
Sky said there was talk it was the fuel feeder or collection pipe (or similar) that got punctured or severed. They thought if it was the whole tank it would have been an even bigger fireball.
Surely the fire was too big for it to have been caused by a couple of pints of fuel. The Sky team said someone at the scene reported the whole area being covered in petrol, there were pools of it on the ground.

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Mogster wrote:
29 Nov 2020, 18:22
El Scorchio wrote:
29 Nov 2020, 18:02
Sky said there was talk it was the fuel feeder or collection pipe (or similar) that got punctured or severed. They thought if it was the whole tank it would have been an even bigger fireball.
Surely the fire was too big for it to have been caused by a couple of pints of fuel. The Sky team said someone at the scene reported the whole area being covered in petrol, there were pools of it on the ground.
100kg of petrol wouldn't be put out by a couple of hand held fire extinguishers. It would need a full fire appliance to deal with that much fuel. Trust me, they'#d use every hand held extinguisher on the track to put out 100kgs of fuel.

2 litres of petrol (nearly half a gallon) is a lot of fuel.

Much of the fluid on the floor will have been coolant.
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Verstappen 1 stop for the win?

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Just_a_fan wrote:
29 Nov 2020, 18:25
Mogster wrote:
29 Nov 2020, 18:22
El Scorchio wrote:
29 Nov 2020, 18:02
Sky said there was talk it was the fuel feeder or collection pipe (or similar) that got punctured or severed. They thought if it was the whole tank it would have been an even bigger fireball.
Surely the fire was too big for it to have been caused by a couple of pints of fuel. The Sky team said someone at the scene reported the whole area being covered in petrol, there were pools of it on the ground.
100kg of petrol wouldn't be put out by a couple of hand held fire extinguishers. It would need a full fire appliance to deal with that much fuel. Trust me, they'#d use every hand held extinguisher on the track to put out 100kgs of fuel.

2 litres of petrol (nearly half a gallon) is a lot of fuel.

Much of the fluid on the floor will have been coolant.
So, is coolant that much flammable? Don't think so....
Maybe it's the SBINALLA Master Plan to put some fuel in the radiators?

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DRCorsa wrote:
29 Nov 2020, 18:34
Just_a_fan wrote:
29 Nov 2020, 18:25
Mogster wrote:
29 Nov 2020, 18:22


Surely the fire was too big for it to have been caused by a couple of pints of fuel. The Sky team said someone at the scene reported the whole area being covered in petrol, there were pools of it on the ground.
100kg of petrol wouldn't be put out by a couple of hand held fire extinguishers. It would need a full fire appliance to deal with that much fuel. Trust me, they'#d use every hand held extinguisher on the track to put out 100kgs of fuel.

2 litres of petrol (nearly half a gallon) is a lot of fuel.

Much of the fluid on the floor will have been coolant.
So, is coolant that much flammable? Don't think so....
Maybe it's the SBINALLA Master Plan to put some fuel in the radiators?
2 litres of petrol thrown around makes a huge fireball. If the fuel tank had been ruptured and 100 kgs had come out, they would not have put it out with hand held fire extinguishers.

I'm struggling to see why people can't see that if the fuel tank had ruptured and allowed 100kg of fuel to flow out and catch fire, it would have been a huge fire, not one that could be put out by hand held fire extinguishers.
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Just_a_fan wrote:
29 Nov 2020, 18:44
DRCorsa wrote:
29 Nov 2020, 18:34
Just_a_fan wrote:
29 Nov 2020, 18:25


100kg of petrol wouldn't be put out by a couple of hand held fire extinguishers. It would need a full fire appliance to deal with that much fuel. Trust me, they'#d use every hand held extinguisher on the track to put out 100kgs of fuel.

2 litres of petrol (nearly half a gallon) is a lot of fuel.

Much of the fluid on the floor will have been coolant.
So, is coolant that much flammable? Don't think so....
Maybe it's the SBINALLA Master Plan to put some fuel in the radiators?
2 litres of petrol thrown around makes a huge fireball. If the fuel tank had been ruptured and 100 kgs had come out, they would not have put it out with hand held fire extinguishers.

I'm struggling to see why people can't see that if the fuel tank had ruptured and allowed 100kg of fuel to flow out and catch fire, it would have been a huge fire, not one that could be put out by hand held fire extinguishers.
No, 2 litres of petrol will not cause such a huge fireball....
Fuel tank was intact.
The fire cause was the coolant.

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DRCorsa wrote:
29 Nov 2020, 18:45
Just_a_fan wrote:
29 Nov 2020, 18:44
DRCorsa wrote:
29 Nov 2020, 18:34


So, is coolant that much flammable? Don't think so....
Maybe it's the SBINALLA Master Plan to put some fuel in the radiators?
2 litres of petrol thrown around makes a huge fireball. If the fuel tank had been ruptured and 100 kgs had come out, they would not have put it out with hand held fire extinguishers.

I'm struggling to see why people can't see that if the fuel tank had ruptured and allowed 100kg of fuel to flow out and catch fire, it would have been a huge fire, not one that could be put out by hand held fire extinguishers.
No, 2 litres of petrol will not cause such a huge fireball....
Fuel tank was intact.
The fire cause was the coolant.
If they're using a high concentration ethylene glycol then it's flammable. Add it to the 2 litres of fuel that exists outside the fuel safety cell and you've got a big fire.
If you are more fortunate than others, build a larger table not a taller fence.