2020 Bahrain Grand Prix - Sakhir, Nov 27 - 29

[smellybeard]

He ran over some debris but not confirmed if he reacted ti that or the alfa romeo on his left. It was crazy the steering lock he had on.
For his own good I am glad the he is leaving the sport.

I don't believe he did. In-car showed him turning the wheel. To be fair to the other drivers, he's in a class of his own in terms of his lack of awareness.

Really, Grosjean aside, the FIA need to think in terms of no-blame bans for hitting 'red' barriers or crossing 'red' lines. The runoffs are there instead of stone walls and drivers need to know there are immediate consequences to ending up so far from the track.

[MtthsMlw]

Tough to say

[Restomaniac]

He ran over some debris but not confirmed if he reacted ti that or the alfa romeo on his left. It was crazy the steering lock he had on.
For his own good I am glad the he is leaving the sport.

I don't believe he did. In-car showed him turning the wheel. To be fair to the other drivers, he's in a class of his own in terms of his lack of awareness.

Really, Grosjean aside, the FIA need to think in terms of no-blame bans for hitting 'red' barriers or crossing 'red' lines. The runoffs are there instead of stone walls and drivers need to know there are immediate consequences to ending up so far from the track.

TBF as Sky said there is a chance Grosjean didn’t even know there was a car to his right. There was definitely a car that would need to return to the track to his left though which he couldn't miss.

[Hoffman900]

We need better fire extinguishing too. That one guy wasn’t doing anything. The other guy created just enough space for grosjean to make his escape.

Lesson have to be learned. The angle, the barrier itself. This has to be improved. What a danger the drivers are still in.

I think a lot of you guys are underestimating the heat. You still feel it in fire suits, let alone trying to breath.

I find it more incredible Romain doesn’t have lung damage from breathing. The fire suits are great, they keep your skin from burning up, but if the air is hundreds of degrees F, it does no good.

That is why I am saying we need better fire extinguishing. If Romain would have been unconscious, if he would have been stuck. The monoque went straight through the barrier, that is not a good thing but at the same time it allowed him to escape. We really somehow escaped a tragedy. But we need improved safety. This was incredible.

The only thing better is a fire truck.

Something like that, you need extinguishers to suck the oxygen out. That’s how you put fires like that out with an extinguisher.

Those things aren’t full of water.

[Hoffman900]

He ran over some debris but not confirmed if he reacted ti that or the alfa romeo on his left. It was crazy the steering lock he had on.
For his own good I am glad the he is leaving the sport.

I don't believe he did. In-car showed him turning the wheel. To be fair to the other drivers, he's in a class of his own in terms of his lack of awareness.

Really, Grosjean aside, the FIA need to think in terms of no-blame bans for hitting 'red' barriers or crossing 'red' lines. The runoffs are there instead of stone walls and drivers need to know there are immediate consequences to ending up so far from the track.

TBF as Sky said there is a chance Grosjean didn’t even know there was a car to his right. There was definitely a car that would need to return to the track to his left though which he couldn't miss.

Have any of you guys ever sat in an open wheel car? You can’t see crap, plus it’s a night race, plus the heat of the moment. It’s a racing incident.

Part of the issue is the extra runoff and cars using it and coming back on track into cars on track. This forces people to move right.

[smellybeard]

We need better fire extinguishing too. That one guy wasn’t doing anything. The other guy created just enough space for grosjean to make his escape.

Lesson have to be learned. The angle, the barrier itself. This has to be improved. What a danger the drivers are still in.

I think a lot of you guys are underestimating the heat. You still feel it in fire suits, let alone trying to breath.

I find it more incredible Romain doesn’t have lung damage from breathing. The fire suits are great, they keep your skin from burning up, but if the air is hundreds of degrees F, it does no good.

I'm a former marshal and have don the fire training in the days when fuel was cheap and safety was a little more hit and miss. Two by two with powder and foam on a mock-up single seater filled with a couple gallons of fuel.

[FrukostScones]

looks pretty empty and kaputt (the beige ATL).

[smellybeard]

It’s a racing incident.

Oh, it's alright so if he's smashed up and extra crispy if it's only a racing incident.
Get real.

[Restomaniac]

I don't believe he did. In-car showed him turning the wheel. To be fair to the other drivers, he's in a class of his own in terms of his lack of awareness.

Really, Grosjean aside, the FIA need to think in terms of no-blame bans for hitting 'red' barriers or crossing 'red' lines. The runoffs are there instead of stone walls and drivers need to know there are immediate consequences to ending up so far from the track.

TBF as Sky said there is a chance Grosjean didn’t even know there was a car to his right. There was definitely a car that would need to return to the track to his left though which he couldn't miss.

Have any of you guys ever sat in an open wheel car? You can’t see crap, plus it’s a night race, plus the heat of the moment. It’s a racing incident.

Part of the issue is the extra runoff and cars using it and coming back on track into cars on track. This forces people to move right.

Erm.....I’m in agreement with you!

[Sieper]

I think a lot of you guys are underestimating the heat. You still feel it in fire suits, let alone trying to breath.

I find it more incredible Romain doesn’t have lung damage from breathing. The fire suits are great, they keep your skin from burning up, but if the air is hundreds of degrees F, it does no good.

That is why I am saying we need better fire extinguishing. If Romain would have been unconscious, if he would have been stuck. The monoque went straight through the barrier, that is not a good thing but at the same time it allowed him to escape. We really somehow escaped a tragedy. But we need improved safety. This was incredible.

The only thing better is a fire truck.

Something like that, you need extinguishers to suck the oxygen out. That’s how you put fires like that out with an extinguisher.

Those things aren’t full of water.

Powerfull sprinklers along the entire track. Or a pressurized system with hoses every 10 meters. We cannot shrug this off, it was too dangerous. Again, we escaped tragedy.

[Hoffman900]

That is why I am saying we need better fire extinguishing. If Romain would have been unconscious, if he would have been stuck. The monoque went straight through the barrier, that is not a good thing but at the same time it allowed him to escape. We really somehow escaped a tragedy. But we need improved safety. This was incredible.

The only thing better is a fire truck.

Something like that, you need extinguishers to suck the oxygen out. That’s how you put fires like that out with an extinguisher.

Those things aren’t full of water.

Powerfull sprinklers along the entire track. Or a pressurized system with hoses every 10 meters. We cannot shrug this off, it was too dangerous. Again, we escaped tragedy.

Dude no.

How many tracks can afford that upgrade, let alone what do you do with street circuits?

Also, these cars are full of petro products (and electrical systems / batteries), you can’t use water.

Concerns from my POV:

1) armco barriers. These shouldn’t be used anymore... we have 50 years of terrible crashes with them
2) the cars have too much fuel. I think fueling pit stops are safer... right now they’re like an airliner at takeoff
3) track limits at the start. You have cars way off coming back on track at speed, into cars on the actual track. This wouldn’t happen if people were getting stuck in gravel out there.

[Sieper]

If any of the things happened a bit different today we had a tragedy on our hands. Again. And also here the angle of the barriers is like at eau rouge. If we do not make improvements like we have been doing over the years it will go wrong again. Don’t try to find reasons not to do anything.

[LHamilton]

Crazy race. Good to see Grosjean getting out of the car after that insane crash. Left me quite in shock when you suddenly saw a huge fireball, but also how the cockpit had merged itself with the barrier. If Grosjean has cracked ribs, and I'm not suprised if he has, you are left wondering about next week. Do anyone know if their reserve driver (Pietro Fittipaldi) has a Super License? Tried to google, but couldn't find anything.

[Restomaniac]

If any of the things happened a bit different today we had a tragedy on our hands. Again. And also here the angle of the barriers is like at eau rouge. If we do not make improvements like we have been doing over the years it will go wrong again. Don’t try to find reasons not to do anything.

TBH I think their reaction was correct. I would say concrete and tecpro outside of them needs to be the long term solution.

Concrete today would have meant that the Haas would have slid down the barrier instead of coming to a dead stop due to the fact that the momentum/direction of the car and the AoA. That would greatly reduce the G-Force of the impact and less chance of a trapped driver.

[smellybeard]

Concerns from my POV:

1) armco barriers. These shouldn’t be used anymore... we have 50 years of terrible crashes with them
2) the cars have too much fuel. I think fueling pit stops are safer... right now they’re like an airliner at takeoff
3) track limits at the start. You have cars way off coming back on track at speed, into cars on the actual track. This wouldn’t happen if people were getting stuck in gravel out there.

1. Some barriers are there to protect those behind them rather than those hitting them. Also, armco is supposed to progressively fail and there is a limit to how far that failure can last. The position of the barrier had caught my attention before. Thirdly, no system is perfect.

2. Yes and no. Refuelling itself is dangerous. Personally, I'd like to see a 50% decrease in weight and power in the cars. That would have helped.

3. Track limits need a reboot. See my 'red-line' idea above. Race bans for crossing them are fair and proportionate when lives are at risk.

I grew up around ye olde single seaters with metal monocoques and bag tanks hiding 12 gallons either side of the driver and I never saw a fire or an impact like that.