As long as you foam it up you can.Hoffman900 wrote: ↑29 Nov 2020, 20:06
Also, these cars are full of petro products (and electrical systems / batteries), you can’t use water.
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The Bahrain Grand Prix became one to remember, not least because of some spectacular crashes during which fortunately nobody got seriously hurt. But, in the end, it was Hamilton, who else, to win, ahead of the Red Bull duo Verstappen and Albon.
As long as you foam it up you can.Hoffman900 wrote: ↑29 Nov 2020, 20:06
Also, these cars are full of petro products (and electrical systems / batteries), you can’t use water.
Indycar racing regularly burns pit crews as badly the driver suffered this evening. Indycar also produces fatalities. The thing that could have been better in the car is the ability of the rear of the tub to hold together. Watson's crash that broke his car in two, broke the engine mounts leaving the rear bulkhead intact. That's what we expect in big indy car shunts too. The impact was massive; I didn't think it was survivable. I had the same gut wrench that I felt when I saw Johnny Cecotto plough into the bank in Brands Hatch in 1984. It was a turn away moment.Hoffman900 wrote: ↑29 Nov 2020, 20:53There also might be some lessons learned from Indy Car. They have as big shunts in a season as F1 might have in a decade.
Drivers that are off track are required by regulation to rejoin only when safely possible, unfortunately the FIA do not enforce this rule consistently and strongly enough. Grosjean has a habit of ignoring other drivers who are next to him and assuming there is nobody next to him when he is unsure, and the FIA make stupid decisions like penalize Kvyat who was turned in on by stroll even when he had been side by side with him for hundreds of meters. The FIA are really doing a piss poor job and are lucky today did not turn out worse.Restomaniac wrote: ↑29 Nov 2020, 19:51TBF as Sky said there is a chance Grosjean didn’t even know there was a car to his right. There was definitely a car that would need to return to the track to his left though which he couldn't miss.smellybeard wrote: ↑29 Nov 2020, 19:48I don't believe he did. In-car showed him turning the wheel. To be fair to the other drivers, he's in a class of his own in terms of his lack of awareness.PlatinumZealot wrote: ↑29 Nov 2020, 19:37He ran over some debris but not confirmed if he reacted ti that or the alfa romeo on his left. It was crazy the steering lock he had on.
For his own good I am glad the he is leaving the sport.
Really, Grosjean aside, the FIA need to think in terms of no-blame bans for hitting 'red' barriers or crossing 'red' lines. The runoffs are there instead of stone walls and drivers need to know there are immediate consequences to ending up so far from the track.
It actually could have been the titanium halo hitting the steel armco making a spark which ignited the fuel, some of which was released into the air when the engine disconnected from the safety cell. Or maybe something else ignited it. It didn't necessarily explode as much as it caught alight.AMG.Tzan wrote: ↑29 Nov 2020, 20:48Don't want to imagine the outcome had this accident occured 5 or 10 years ago! We have seen really big accidents the last 30 years but a fireball accident with the driver trapped inside and burning alive...we haven't seen something like that since Berger Imola 1989! At first i thought Grosjean hit something and exploded...but still i can't understand what caused the fuel tank to explode! I know that the fuel tank can't even get pierced by a bullet...imagine what forces went onto it!
I don't know how Grosjean escaped such an accident...the barriers almost trapping him into the car and the marshal behind the guardrail "sleeping"...he wasn't spraying on the car while Grosjean was burning inside (maybe he was shocked)! Thankfully the medical car arrived quickly and saved Grosjean! And as the TV wasn't showing footage at first (which was so so correct, since you don't know the outcome) i was ready for the worst! Halo , the marshals, the fireproof clothing and the barrier not piercing the car saved Grosjean there!
Apart from all of that though, i have to say that this accident once again showcased Grosjean's lack of spatial awareness! That was a careless move again by him and thankfully he didn't pay the greatest price for this stupid move! This should be a career ending crash for Grosjean (yeah his F1 career is ending in 2 races), i don't think there is any point in getting back in that car! So just pack up 2 races early Romain and go home to relax with your family!
Anyway, Sainz's race was amazing and Perez's race was also going amazingly against Albon who should have easily passed Perez given Verstappen's Mercedes matching pace...but he wasn't even close and the podium came purely by luck! This 1v1 race between Perez and Albon maybe shows RB should trust Perez and give him a 1-year contract!
P.S. Why did Kyvat get a 10 second penalty for the Stroll accident?? It was Stroll not leaving any kind of room for Kyvat while knowing he was there on the inside...
You understand incorrectly, the fuel tank is an integral part of the safety cell by regulation, as is the battery compartment. That is possibly something that the FIA should possibly look into changing. The fuel definitely was the source of the fire, not the coolant.DRCorsa wrote: ↑29 Nov 2020, 18:00From what i have understood, fuel tank was intact and attached to the rear part of the car. No fire there.taperoo2k wrote: ↑29 Nov 2020, 17:46The fuel tank is located between the engine and the driver. I'd not be surprised if the fuel tank got punctured and the fuel ignited within milliseconds. Grosjean is very lucky to have walked away from that, with what look like minor injuries. The Halo looks to have played a pivotal role in saving Grosjean today, along with all the other safety features built into the car.
The fire was on the radiators, so the antifreeze was the cause of the fire.
Is normal antifreeze such flammable as this?
If you add some oil or fuel, then yes!
1. Stroll most likely wouldn't have ever seen Kvyat being there. This isn't a blame towards anyone.
Look at the direction the tub is pointing and think of the direction it was traveling in. It hit and the front embedded flinging the back around 180º. It broke because of the bending loads but it might have broken where it did - rather than at the engine mounts - because of the post.Just_a_fan wrote: ↑29 Nov 2020, 21:17I wonder if the car was cut in half by one of the stanchions. Hitting it in just the right place caused the rrar of the tub to shear off.
You're seeing the back of the tub there not the frontJust_a_fan wrote: ↑29 Nov 2020, 21:50Looking at this photo
https://cdn.the-race.com/wp-content/upl ... 4x683.jpg
It appears that the monocoque is split or cut roughly in line with the halo's front mounting point. If so,Gorsjean was even luckier than it originally seemed. He'd not have gotten out of the tub with broken legs.
but it is still visible.trinidefender wrote: ↑29 Nov 2020, 21:59You're seeing the back of the tub there not the frontJust_a_fan wrote: ↑29 Nov 2020, 21:50Looking at this photo
https://cdn.the-race.com/wp-content/upl ... 4x683.jpg
It appears that the monocoque is split or cut roughly in line with the halo's front mounting point. If so,Gorsjean was even luckier than it originally seemed. He'd not have gotten out of the tub with broken legs.
