[ 2020 ] Mclaren F1 Team - Renault

[Szabi1112]

The main problem is that we are the team that improved the less during the season, from the season start. Thats the main problem and that is the main question. Why? What was the problem with the developments?

[JRindt]

I still can't get why they pitted Sainz just right on the VSC ending.

Actually, it was Carlos’ call to pit as he didn’t want to be left out in no mans land. Even I thought at the time that it was way too early to pit. Maybe he was just reacting to Kvyat

[billamend]

The main problem is that we are the team that improved the less during the season, from the season start. Thats the main problem and that is the main question. Why? What was the problem with the developments?

Again? McLaren is developing two years in one.

[McL-H]

I still can't get why they pitted Sainz just right on the VSC ending.

They don't know when the VSC ends mate. They decided to pit while it was going on, they just got unlucky that it ended right as he went in the pits and not after he got out.

It’ll need to be analysed by one of us but surely they should have gambled to pit him just before the VSC came into operation.
Every time you see a car on the side of the road out of the race it’s going to be a VSC or full safety car 99% of the time.
Again this needs looking at but from my quick observations during the race, on the driver tracker it looked like Sainz was half way down the pit straight then the VSC was deployed

But the car was positioned at a spot where literally no car would crash into, and it was just 8 metres away from where they had to roll the car to. I think the team assumed there wouldn’t be a VSC because of that, or that there would be little chance of a VSC anyway.

[CjC]

They don't know when the VSC ends mate. They decided to pit while it was going on, they just got unlucky that it ended right as he went in the pits and not after he got out.

It’ll need to be analysed by one of us but surely they should have gambled to pit him just before the VSC came into operation.
Every time you see a car on the side of the road out of the race it’s going to be a VSC or full safety car 99% of the time.
Again this needs looking at but from my quick observations during the race, on the driver tracker it looked like Sainz was half way down the pit straight then the VSC was deployed

But the car was positioned at a spot where literally no car would crash into, and it was just 8 metres away from where they had to roll the car to. I think the team assumed there wouldn’t be a VSC because of that, or that there would be little chance of a VSC anyway.

All valid points but we live in a world where accountability is everything so minimising the marshals risk to danger is paramount- especially after Grosjeans crash last weekend.

[Emag]

The main problem is that we are the team that improved the less during the season, from the season start. Thats the main problem and that is the main question. Why? What was the problem with the developments?

Scratch this one off man. Because of corona we had a season that is probably way way different than a normal one would have been. The rules for next year certainly aren't in McLaren's favor too so there's that as well. It's all in for 2022 right now. Hopefully they improve for 2021, but it is going to be tough unfortunately with how restricted they are from the regulations.

[billamend]

Norris start

[elldizzle]

This was quite possibly the worst performance by Lando I've seen this season. Absolutely no pace in the car, whether it was set up or a problem or something, who knows.
But at the end of the day you gotta put the teams performance into perspective from where we started the race. Carlos finished 4th (very close to a podium) and Lando went from last to finish in the points in 10th. Not too long ago we would have been ecstatic with that result.
It just hurts so much because racing point absolutely maximized their performance. And to answer what others have said, RP have had a better overall package than us all season.

[ALO_Power]

I still can't get why they pitted Sainz just right on the VSC ending.

They don't know when the VSC ends mate. They decided to pit while it was going on, they just got unlucky that it ended right as he went in the pits and not after he got out.

How they don't know? The graphic was showing VSC ending way earlier than Sainz was approaching the pit lane. They could easily change their decision. The whole point of pitting in that moment had gone since they got green before he entered.

[FittingMechanics]

How they don't know? The graphic was showing VSC ending way earlier than Sainz was approaching the pit lane. They could easily change their decision. The whole point of pitting in that moment had gone since they got green before he entered.

They called him in, it's possible to reverse the call but depends on how much time they had to notice it and react.

On the other hand, what is your reasoning to keep him out. He was on a two stop strategy, he would have pitted soon regardless of VSC. In fact some two stoppers started pitting before the VSC. Only way it would be beneficial to stay out is if they gambled that there would be a new VSC or SC before he had to pit. It's possible, but he'd open himself up to a big undercut by all of those that pitted under VSC.

Unlucky situation. Nothing to hold against the team. Even with this, if Mercedes didn't mess up their pitstops, Sainz would be right behind the one stoppers with fresher tires at the SC restart. What hurt McLaren is the fact that not only 2 SCs played into one stop strategy, but that Mercedes errors put them between Sainz and his competitors with Bottas on old tyres effectively acting as a roadblock for Sainz.

[ALO_Power]

How they don't know? The graphic was showing VSC ending way earlier than Sainz was approaching the pit lane. They could easily change their decision. The whole point of pitting in that moment had gone since they got green before he entered.

They called him in, it's possible to reverse the call but depends on how much time they had to notice it and react.

On the other hand, what is your reasoning to keep him out. He was on a two stop strategy, he would have pitted soon regardless of VSC. In fact some two stoppers started pitting before the VSC. Only way it would be beneficial to stay out is if they gambled that there would be a new VSC or SC before he had to pit. It's possible, but he'd open himself up to a big undercut by all of those that pitted under VSC.

Unlucky situation. Nothing to hold against the team. Even with this, if Mercedes didn't mess up their pitstops, Sainz would be right behind the one stoppers with fresher tires at the SC restart. What hurt McLaren is the fact that not only 2 SCs played into one stop strategy, but that Mercedes errors put them between Sainz and his competitors with Bottas on old tyres effectively acting as a roadblock for Sainz.

Ye, I agree that he would stop at some point, what I didn't get was the timing since the VSC ended. Definitely we had terrible luck, that's for sure.

[blastdoman]

What they should have done was said by Sainz in the post-race interview. They had to have lengthened the first stint with the soft tires and put the hard tires on to get to the end of the race. This of course, speaking once the race is over. Perhaps this has happened because we did not do our homework on friday, which RP did.

[Dipesh1995]

Lando had an issue with car according to Seidl.

https://www.mclaren.com/racing/2020/sak ... rand-prix/

[Emag]

Lando had an issue with car according to Seidl.

https://www.mclaren.com/racing/2020/sak ... rand-prix/

Yeah was just about to comment that. Apparently the bad luck stretches beyond our initial assumption

[M840TR]

Everyone overreacts massively on this thread after every race. One good performance and we've clinched P3, one bad performance and we're P6. The truth is RP should be much further ahead with the car they have. Mclaren has done well to be so close. And they can still win it, who knows.

This is just sports, luck is part of the game.