Renault R29

[xpensive]

Either way, I think the pic is good illustration that the nose-cone is not where you put the ballast on an F1 car?

[Zelig]

You are right, guys - I can't believe I haven't noticed... to much coffeine, I guess

[imightbewrong]

Can´t see any changes to the nose. But if ya'll take a look at the other pictures here http://my.ing-renaultf1.com/en/blog/939 ... stone.html you'll find some changes to the side skirts.

First I thought it´s the first Chassis they used at Portimao - but then I found out, that the Skirts a partly black or unpainted (try to zoom in (Strg +++)) with your webbrowser).

We'll know more soon (Sunday).

Monday 23 February 2009 at 18:57:54 by RF1 Paddock Pass

Hi Tony, yes that is our very first chassis, but I think the mechanics will still be wearing last year's overalls at the Jerez test. I will try and be more active this week but things were pretty hectic last week hence my poor contributions on the blog!

Here is the testing calendar for the next few weeks:

1-4 March Jerez
9-12 March Barcelona
15-17 March Jerez

Then it's straight on to Oz...

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Wednesday 25 February 2009 at 11:05:59 by RF1 Paddock Pass

Hi guys, yes not long until the test now, which should give us plenty of things to talk about and ponder. To put the chassis debate to rest, I can confirm that we will be using a different chassis to the one we used at the last test - think it will be number 3.

By the way BOL, it will be English RF1PP in Jerez next week. I'll keep an eye out for a white clio and would be happy to shake the paws of any members of the Lion clan!

Thats from the comments and the "RF1 Paddock Pass" is the moderator so his info is legit

[spaman]

I wouldn´t say that just because he´s the moderator it´s legit. It is legit, that he wrote this, but that says nothing about the truth of the content.

I would even say, that since he now anounces, that there will be a new chassis at the next test, that the pictures show the new chassis. It makes more sense to practice with the actual than with a nose which won´t be in use. Am I wrong?

[djos]

is it me, or the nose seems to be a bit more rounded at the very top, and lowered too... ??

I think you are correct, the nose tip is slightly more pointy than before:




and here is some launch pics for comparison were it is very blunt:

[kilcoo316]

I think you are correct, the nose tip is slightly more pointy than before:

Since that nose is not like historical nose cones, I would expect there to be refinements to it throughout the season tbh.

[axle]

I think you are correct, the nose tip is slightly more pointy than before:

Since that nose is not like historical nose cones, I would expect there to be refinements to it throughout the season tbh.

Yeah, refinements, like sticking it in the bin and starting again...

[imightbewrong]

I wouldn´t say that just because he´s the moderator it´s legit. It is legit, that he wrote this, but that says nothing about the truth of the content.

I would even say, that since he now anounces, that there will be a new chassis at the next test, that the pictures show the new chassis. It makes more sense to practice with the actual than with a nose which won´t be in use. Am I wrong?

Well, he is the moderator for the fan blog and he is clearly well connected with the actual team and he has a historic of being correct. So I'm gonna take his word for it, but to each his own.

[jwielage]

[quote]Yeah, refinements, like sticking it in the bin and starting again...
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Not likely, would they really have stuck with the nose this long if that were the case. One would think that any radical change to the nose would represent a fundamental change in the entire car's areodynamic philosophy.

I'm not sure why everyone keeps hating on this nose. While it is not sleek, i think it is cool that we are seeing drasticly different approaches.

[kilcoo316]

Yeah, refinements, like sticking it in the bin and starting again...

Why do you say that?


Do you know what they are trying to do with it?

[Beewill]

I apologize if this has been discussed earlier but I can't help but notice how different Renault's approach is to using the end plates to guide airflow over the front wheels as opposed to around them. The only other team who appears to have used this approach was Toyota. In their launch pictures it appeared their philosophy was to manage flow both over and around but in their latest testing pictures it appears they have decided against going over. From my stand point, that I am not an engineer, wouldn't it be more efficient to use Renault's approach and create flow over the wheels and perhaps channel the flow to the rear wing rather than creating drag and wasting that flow around the wheels? Perhaps one of you that is much smarter than I can help me understand this better?

[Shaddock]

I apologize if this has been discussed earlier but I can't help but notice how different Renault's approach is to using the end plates to guide airflow over the front wheels as opposed to around them. The only other team who appears to have used this approach was Toyota. In their launch pictures it appeared their philosophy was to manage flow both over and around but in their latest testing pictures it appears they have decided against going over. From my stand point, that I am not an engineer, wouldn't it be more efficient to use Renault's approach and create flow over the wheels and perhaps channel the flow to the rear wing rather than creating drag and wasting that flow around the wheels? Perhaps one of you that is much smarter than I can help me understand this better?

I think Renaults is the more complicated solution or the two. As the driver turns the steering wheel entering a medium-fast bend, the profile the wheel presents to the airflow will change and this may alter the down force levels at the rear wings. The tail could become very snappy and unpredictable due to this.

[Moanlower]

is it me, or the nose seems to be a bit more rounded at the very top, and lowered too... ??

Like said before, it's most likely the different angle that is misleading. ALso, don't forget that it's about practicing pitstops. Now why would they practice changing 2 different noses Doesn't make sense.. What's certain is that the nosecone from the first test is a bit different to the one in latest tests.

Either way, I think the pic is good illustration that the nose-cone is not where you put the ballast on an F1 car?

I don't understand. Why is that a good illustration? Do you think a mechanic can't lift a nose fitted with ballast?

[timbo]

I don't understand. Why is that a good illustration? Do you think a mechanic can't lift a nose fitted with ballast?

Unless they made ballast of goose feather, mechanic wouldn't be able to lift a nosecone of that volume fully packed

[Moanlower]

I don't understand. Why is that a good illustration? Do you think a mechanic can't lift a nose fitted with ballast?

Unless they made ballast of goose feather, mechanic wouldn't be able to lift a nosecone of that volume fully packed

Why can't it be something in between the goose feathers and fully packed? How much ballast did you have in mind? Ballast is mostly spread and not all stuffed in 1 area. You could easily put 30 or 40kg in the nose if needed even though I THINK less will do on a well balanced basic design.