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Well, they did state somewhere last year that the team will be with less Mercedes branding and more an AMG billboard. (Basically what Renault is also doing and FIAT has done for ages)
It appears they lost focus when they built this car...
Not sure if you were watching F1 leading up to 2012.. But everyone knew Mercedes was developing a strong engine. That was not profound at all.aMessageToCharlie wrote: ↑22 Feb 2021, 11:08It goes without saying that there was no guarantee. Pretty much nothing is guaranteed. Also I never said anything about Hamilton's move or that it wasn’t a gamble.
It certrainly was. But it's not unreasonable to assume that a works team that has a winning car already, is long term committed to the sport and is pouring pretty much unlimited resources at a new formula would be successful eventually.
Claiming Mercedes didn't have a clue what they were doing and just lucked into success is an insult to the whole hard working organization.
Yeah, thanks for repeating exactly what I said.PlatinumZealot wrote: ↑01 Mar 2021, 23:29There was no guarantee their engine and chassis would have been the best.
Not like Mercedes was Lauda’s first team on the grid he made bold claims about trying to lure in drivers.aMessageToCharlie wrote: ↑01 Mar 2021, 23:57Yeah, thanks for repeating exactly what I said.PlatinumZealot wrote: ↑01 Mar 2021, 23:29There was no guarantee their engine and chassis would have been the best.
And the point still stands, so I can only repeat myself again:
It's not unreasonable to assume that a works team that has a winning car already, is long term committed to the sport and is pouring pretty much unlimited resources at a new formula would be successful eventually.
Doesn't matter if Ron Dennis or the general public knew how much Mercedes was spending and how serious they were with their program. Niki obviously did and he used it to lure Hamilton in.
Was is your take then on why Hamilton joined the team if it was such a bad prospect as you argue?
Don't you think he made an informed decison on his future? Did he just follow the biggest paycheck? Took a blind gamble and ended up in the best cockpit by pure luck alone? Was he just #blessed or what?
I think he left because he saw what everyone else that was more than a casual fan saw, that McLaren was a sinking ship!aMessageToCharlie wrote: ↑01 Mar 2021, 23:57Was is your take then on why Hamilton joined the team if it was such a bad prospect as you argue?
Well done.
You state it yourself Jolle in a previous post, ‘There’s a bit more to this story.’ I have frequently made reference to it but no-one hereabouts cares to believe any of it.Jolle wrote: ↑02 Mar 2021, 00:11Not like Mercedes was Lauda’s first team on the grid he made bold claims about trying to lure in drivers.aMessageToCharlie wrote: ↑01 Mar 2021, 23:57Yeah, thanks for repeating exactly what I said.PlatinumZealot wrote: ↑01 Mar 2021, 23:29There was no guarantee their engine and chassis would have been the best.
And the point still stands, so I can only repeat myself again:
It's not unreasonable to assume that a works team that has a winning car already, is long term committed to the sport and is pouring pretty much unlimited resources at a new formula would be successful eventually.
Doesn't matter if Ron Dennis or the general public knew how much Mercedes was spending and how serious they were with their program. Niki obviously did and he used it to lure Hamilton in.
Was is your take then on why Hamilton joined the team if it was such a bad prospect as you argue?
Don't you think he made an informed decison on his future? Did he just follow the biggest paycheck? Took a blind gamble and ended up in the best cockpit by pure luck alone? Was he just #blessed or what?
What Mercedes pulled off happens rarely in F1. Jaguar, Toyota, Honda and British American Racing all had unlimited budget-big plans approach but all failed spectacularly, unable to even dent the McLaren-Ferrari-Williams domination since the early eighties. Only Benetton and RedBull had succes, and they did it with a long road to succes.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing.
We will see.... I frankly don't believe any of it because far to much of that is driven by the Helmut/Horner hype train.