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ScrewCaptain27 wrote:
12 Mar 2021, 22:26
Apparently there is a channel underneath the gearbox similar to the one found on the Ferrari.

Link to article (Italian):https://it.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-me ... a/5700445/
“Today was a bad start to the season - admitted the chief of track engineers Andrew Shovlin - we are not happy with how the car is performing and it is quite clear that we have work to do. We are behind our test program and we need to find some balance and speed, let's see how it will go over the next two days ”.

Does he mean the issue with the gearbox or are they worries on a more general feel?
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Sevach wrote:
12 Mar 2021, 09:12
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EwQtlGYXEAc ... ame=medium

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EwQpj_hXIAI ... =4096x4096

Is it me or the FW looking more "Ferrarish" in style.
Is this type of "closed" geometries on floor legal? Wasn't there change of rules to avoid this or was it pushed to the next year?
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ScrewCaptain27 wrote:
12 Mar 2021, 22:26
Apparently there is a channel underneath the gearbox similar to the one found on the Ferrari.

Link to article (Italian):https://it.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-me ... a/5700445/
So i saw hat artical and was thinking to myself .... Does that fall under the double diffuser?

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diffuser wrote:
12 Mar 2021, 23:37
ScrewCaptain27 wrote:
12 Mar 2021, 22:26
Apparently there is a channel underneath the gearbox similar to the one found on the Ferrari.

Link to article (Italian):https://it.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-me ... a/5700445/
So i saw hat artical and was thinking to myself .... Does that fall under the double diffuser?
Simple answer: no.

A double diffuser connects the underfloor space with the above floor space. That requires a hole and holes are illegal in this situation.
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Just_a_fan wrote:
12 Mar 2021, 23:55
diffuser wrote:
12 Mar 2021, 23:37
ScrewCaptain27 wrote:
12 Mar 2021, 22:26
Apparently there is a channel underneath the gearbox similar to the one found on the Ferrari.

Link to article (Italian):https://it.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-me ... a/5700445/
So i saw hat artical and was thinking to myself .... Does that fall under the double diffuser?
Simple answer: no.

A double diffuser connects the underfloor space with the above floor space. That requires a hole and holes are illegal in this situation.
Wonder what feeds that outlet?
Very groovy shape to the top of the diffuser.
Interesting floor edge treatment.
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F1Krof wrote:
12 Mar 2021, 22:42
ScrewCaptain27 wrote:
12 Mar 2021, 22:26
Apparently there is a channel underneath the gearbox similar to the one found on the Ferrari.

Link to article (Italian):https://it.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-me ... a/5700445/
“Today was a bad start to the season - admitted the chief of track engineers Andrew Shovlin - we are not happy with how the car is performing and it is quite clear that we have work to do. We are behind our test program and we need to find some balance and speed, let's see how it will go over the next two days ”.

Does he mean the issue with the gearbox or are they worries on a more general feel?
I'm sure a little of everything.

The transmission issue meant they lost a lot of valuable set-up evaluation time. For example The Merc in the afternoon wasn't much different than the Red Bull in the morning. By the time the afternoon session came around Red Bull had analyzed the data from the morning session and made appropriate changes.

The weather in the afternoon wasn't overly conducive to figuring ont issues either.
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Stu wrote:
13 Mar 2021, 00:01
Just_a_fan wrote:
12 Mar 2021, 23:55
diffuser wrote:
12 Mar 2021, 23:37


So i saw hat artical and was thinking to myself .... Does that fall under the double diffuser?
Simple answer: no.

A double diffuser connects the underfloor space with the above floor space. That requires a hole and holes are illegal in this situation.
Wonder what feeds that outlet?
Very groovy shape to the top of the diffuser.
Interesting floor edge treatment.

So you're implying that isn't a hole, just a triangular shape protruding from the floor? Vortex generator if you wish ?

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an outlet from within the body rather than under the floor at a guess

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diffuser wrote:
13 Mar 2021, 00:42
Stu wrote:
13 Mar 2021, 00:01
Just_a_fan wrote:
12 Mar 2021, 23:55

Simple answer: no.

A double diffuser connects the underfloor space with the above floor space. That requires a hole and holes are illegal in this situation.
Wonder what feeds that outlet?
Very groovy shape to the top of the diffuser.
Interesting floor edge treatment.
It looks to me like

So you're implying that isn't a hole, just a triangular shape protruding from the floor? Vortex generator if you wish ?
It looks to me like a hole, maybe it is fed through the sidepod somewhere, difficult to say from this picture. Ferrari used something similar on SF71H.
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/the-s ... 6/5320906/

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I mean, we see what the airboxes are split like, and OMG brake ducts 🙄, so aren't we assuming that the inside of the sidepod is the same (post radiator)?

This seems so simple, yet obvious, thus it's brilliance. (The outlet, that is.😏)

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there is a hole on the floor of the W12 at the end of side pods.

https://it.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-me ... a/5700445/

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The mysterious blowing
The image of Giorgio Piola is eloquent: by clearing some details, the vent of air emerged that catches the flow from under the bottom and blows it on the central channel of the extractor, taking up the solution of the "double diffuser" that he had introduced years ago Ferrari and that Mercedes was able to develop better than in Maranello.

Now we have reached the extreme of the concept thanks to the new gearbox that has allowed to generate a new air passage under the car, useful for creating downforce with the car body.

The W12 was born around this well-hidden novelty: it is not surprising, therefore, if the black arrow just put the wheels on the ground did not meet the expectations of the world champion.

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Erm that diffuser dop has been on cars for years now. Some times teams shroud it sometimes not. Check any photos of the floors removed over the years and you can see how teams sometimes wall it off or just leave it exposed like Merc has here.
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So did merc also spend their tokens on a new gearbox aswell?
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