nice interview with Andreas
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Traditionally, Spain is the first major update of the year. Fortunes can change there. Also we have gotten used to seasons where there are huge discrepancies in time between the teams. If you go back to Alonso's Ferrari years....the pace of the top 7 teams or so was very close.Ground Effect wrote: ↑24 Mar 2021, 08:06I tend to believe it all depends on the order in which the races come in a season. Meaning, in the typical season calendar we’ve had in recent past, starting in Melbourne, followed by Bahrain and then Shanghai, would be adequate enough to know how good a team’s car is. So technically, 5-6 races seems a lot, that’s approximately 25% of a 23 race season. There’s also been pre season testing, not to mention historical data from previous years.
I wanted to find the video but I wasn't able so I'll give a short summary.BatCave96 wrote: ↑23 Mar 2021, 21:06A bit of a noob question.
How does the braking feel change from one car to another? For example, are the brakes technically that different between the Renault and Mclaren considering these cars are very similar in performance. Also, don't most F1 teams use the same brake suppliers.
Did they change brake supplier?FittingMechanics wrote: ↑24 Mar 2021, 17:35I wanted to find the video but I wasn't able so I'll give a short summary.BatCave96 wrote: ↑23 Mar 2021, 21:06A bit of a noob question.
How does the braking feel change from one car to another? For example, are the brakes technically that different between the Renault and Mclaren considering these cars are very similar in performance. Also, don't most F1 teams use the same brake suppliers.
Rosberg was saying in a video, I think when he was driving a Rimac Concept car, that in F1 part of what they need to do is to get everything completely right. One of these things is braking, not only the feel is important but due to sheer complexity of the cars it is not just feel of the mechanical brakes. All cars use the braking to recharge the batteries so they need to get the curve completely right or the driver will be surprised by braking as the conditions change, for example he passes over a slippier part of the track and the car suddenly has much less grip and locks up. IIRC he mentioned that they needed to fine tune this and alongside various other settings (diff, ...). If you take all that along with what other posters already mentioned about stability and grip and you get a highly sensitive system that the driver needs to operate.
So the answer in my opinion is yes, braking feel changes a lot depending on the cars. Each car probably has a slightly different feel to it, different priorities and probably different braking curve. Some cars use different manufacturers as well which is probably what surprised Ricciardo when he moved to Renault.
To be honest, I feel that the problem for him was that Renault had bad brakes and he couldn't do massive divebombs. He seems to be saying that McLaren is better in that respect (closer to Red Bull), possibly because McLaren changed brake manufacturer for this season.
I remember a certain team that did this and that certain team also happened to wedge a Mercedes engine into a car it wasn’t designed for and come up with an innovative diffuser.Ground Effect wrote: ↑23 Mar 2021, 15:01Ted Kravitz on the In The Fast Lane Podcast. Some interesting comments on McLaren.
Kravitz says there are some signs that things are going very well for the UK-based team.
“It was weird at the test actually, McLaren, they had a very good day one in the dusty conditions and then they had a good day two,” he told the Podcast.
“And then they went all sort of coy and they thought, ‘Oh my goodness, we better not show everything’.
“It’s like they were scared. They spooked themselves and they didn’t want to give anything away so they stopped setting quick times to put everybody off the scent. But they were very happy.
“That was them saying globally, everything is looking optimal in the new McLaren. There are going to be some doubts about whether they will be even faster than the factory Mercedes team as well. Some people have got McLaren in second behind Red Bull.”
Link to full podcast https://share.transistor.fm/s/aba88d74
If remember rightly they won both titles
Nope but they Changed the PU supplier. A large percentage of the rear braking comes from the PU.trinidefender wrote: ↑24 Mar 2021, 19:04Did they change brake supplier?FittingMechanics wrote: ↑24 Mar 2021, 17:35I wanted to find the video but I wasn't able so I'll give a short summary.BatCave96 wrote: ↑23 Mar 2021, 21:06A bit of a noob question.
How does the braking feel change from one car to another? For example, are the brakes technically that different between the Renault and Mclaren considering these cars are very similar in performance. Also, don't most F1 teams use the same brake suppliers.
Rosberg was saying in a video, I think when he was driving a Rimac Concept car, that in F1 part of what they need to do is to get everything completely right. One of these things is braking, not only the feel is important but due to sheer complexity of the cars it is not just feel of the mechanical brakes. All cars use the braking to recharge the batteries so they need to get the curve completely right or the driver will be surprised by braking as the conditions change, for example he passes over a slippier part of the track and the car suddenly has much less grip and locks up. IIRC he mentioned that they needed to fine tune this and alongside various other settings (diff, ...). If you take all that along with what other posters already mentioned about stability and grip and you get a highly sensitive system that the driver needs to operate.
So the answer in my opinion is yes, braking feel changes a lot depending on the cars. Each car probably has a slightly different feel to it, different priorities and probably different braking curve. Some cars use different manufacturers as well which is probably what surprised Ricciardo when he moved to Renault.
To be honest, I feel that the problem for him was that Renault had bad brakes and he couldn't do massive divebombs. He seems to be saying that McLaren is better in that respect (closer to Red Bull), possibly because McLaren changed brake manufacturer for this season.
Not officially but this year Akebono (previous brake partner) is not listed on the spec sheet of the car. In previous years it always said "Akebono brakes", now it is just brakes. It's possible they changed the brake supplier but did it under the radar.
It wasn't just the diffuser, it was the first outwash front wing of the wide wing era.haza wrote: ↑24 Mar 2021, 19:13I remember a certain team that did this and that certain team also happened to wedge a Mercedes engine into a car it wasn’t designed for and come up with an innovative diffuser.Ground Effect wrote: ↑23 Mar 2021, 15:01Ted Kravitz on the In The Fast Lane Podcast. Some interesting comments on McLaren.
Kravitz says there are some signs that things are going very well for the UK-based team.
“It was weird at the test actually, McLaren, they had a very good day one in the dusty conditions and then they had a good day two,” he told the Podcast.
“And then they went all sort of coy and they thought, ‘Oh my goodness, we better not show everything’.
“It’s like they were scared. They spooked themselves and they didn’t want to give anything away so they stopped setting quick times to put everybody off the scent. But they were very happy.
“That was them saying globally, everything is looking optimal in the new McLaren. There are going to be some doubts about whether they will be even faster than the factory Mercedes team as well. Some people have got McLaren in second behind Red Bull.”
Link to full podcast https://share.transistor.fm/s/aba88d74
Ricc & Norty
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