Rear wing flex and FIA regulatory test 2021

[peaty]

This is turning into the most ridiculous thread ever.
If Mercedes protest the rear wing flexing it's ok.
If RBR protest front wing, t-wing, shark fin flexing or whatever they want to protest...they are pointing fingers, deflecting attention, etc.
Ridiculous!

[El Scorchio]

This is turning into the most ridiculous thread ever.
If Mercedes protest the rear wing flexing it's ok.
If RBR protest front wing, t-wing, shark fin flexing or whatever they want to protest...they are pointing fingers, deflecting attention, etc.
Ridiculous!

No-one said that. Just that T wings and shark fins aren't worth discussing UNLESS Red Bull or another team protests them. Until then it really is just finger pointing.

In exactly the same way that rear wings weren't being discussed in any significant way until it transpired they were under scrutiny after the Spanish GP.

[Sieper]

They should. The Mercedes FW moves almost double as much as the RBR FW.



This is clearly not within the spirit of the rules.

[RZS10]

Questions:
- is the front facing nose cam in the exact same position relative to the wings on both cars?
- follow up to that is: is the angle the same?
- do both show the same portion of wing?
- are the comparison videos scaled to the same size?

I think all four can be answered with 'no' - that's why i never bothered comparing them that way and i believe the comparison in those videos is (almost entirely) worthless.

For the RWs three of the answers were a clear "yes", the very first one an "almost, yes".

[Just_a_fan]

[. It's just FIA must play by the rules they wrote.

They are. The rules say that new tests will be applied if something looks naughty.

[El Scorchio]

They should. The Mercedes FW moves almost double as much as the RBR FW.



This is clearly not within the spirit of the rules.

But they are not under scrutiny within the sport or subject to any tests they are likely to fail (yet) so there's basically zero point in debating it. We can all see all the front wings move on all the cars, but at the moment it's not a factor. It may become one if Red Bull or someone else protests everyone's front wing (including their own)
Until then it just all feels a bit like pointless tit for tat. We can all point at bits on all the cars we personally don't like, but where does it get us unless it's being addressed in the sport?

[peaty]

[. It's just FIA must play by the rules they wrote.

They are. The rules say that new tests will be applied if something looks naughty.

No they don't. The rules say no flexing and there are bits flexing all over the cars.

[SmallSoldier]

Questions:
- is the front facing nose cam in the exact same position relative to the wings on both cars?
- follow up to that is: is the angle the same?
- do both show the same portion of wing?
- are the comparison videos scaled to the same size?

I think all four can be answered with 'no' - that's why i never bothered comparing them that way and i believe the comparison in those videos is (almost entirely) worthless.

For the RWs three of the answers were a clear "yes", the very first one an "almost, yes".

You should add that it will also depend on the front wing configuration and flaps shape / design, which could also make one look like to moves more than others.


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[214270]

Lol, protest the front wing on what grounds?

[Sieper]

No moveable aero surfaces allowed.

[214270]

No moveable aero surfaces allowed.

Defined how?

[Sieper]

There is a rule book that make such statements. All cars need to adhere to that.

[214270]

There is a rule book that make such statements. All cars need to adhere to that.

Correct, and the front wing currently complies. Unless the rules change redefining these parameters, there are no grounds.

That’s why the rear wing is a different case.

[Sieper]

There is a rule book that make such statements. All cars need to adhere to that.

Correct, and the front wing currently complies. Unless the rules change redefining these parameters, there are no grounds.

That’s why the rear wing is a different case.

It is. But it is also ultimately the same case. The 3mm move under stress was allowed as the limit for the RW. And all wings were moving. It was just when a few wings were deemed to move excessively (no longer within the spirit of the rules) that the FIA agreed to make the test limit more strict. But, when the FIA feels some front wings are deemed to move excessively (as compared to others) they might introduce tests, and limits just the same. It is harder as there is no predescribed test yet, but ultimately the same factors are in play. Do we feel what some teams are doing is excessive, enough to warrant stricter regulation.

It is why mercedes have threatened to go to ICA, not because RBR is not in compliance (they are) but because they are not following the spirit of the rules.

[RZS10]

Questions:
- is the front facing nose cam in the exact same position relative to the wings on both cars?
- follow up to that is: is the angle the same?
- do both show the same portion of wing?
- are the comparison videos scaled to the same size?

I think all four can be answered with 'no' - that's why i never bothered comparing them that way and i believe the comparison in those videos is (almost entirely) worthless.

For the RWs three of the answers were a clear "yes", the very first one an "almost, yes".

You should add that it will also depend on the front wing configuration and flaps shape / design, which could also make one look like to moves more than others.

Yea, i'm not categorically denying that one might move more than the other but that particular comparison is just terrible - but good enough if you add some confirmation bias.