Points system to be scrapped for 2009

[axle]

I don't agree with this.
The fans voted for a bigger points gap not "medals".

Why do they refuse to listen to the fans?

Because most of the fans are stupid... they asked for shorter races too remember?

Shortening a 2hr race isn't daft, it's about keeping their attention, as the middle of the race can be processional.

Fans' arn't "stupid" or if they are you've tarred yourself with the stupid brush too.

It's MY opinion that this is not the best idea, I don't want the WDC crowned before the last race of the season as will be the case from now.

I don't expect people to start a BS arguement about my views either...

[ISLAMATRON]

Extremes? How about simple mathmatic probability? The extreme case is just as possible as any other case, and just because it exposes how freaking stupid this idea is, don't trash talk it.

No it is not as probable... and that conceptual is simple mathematics.

[Conceptual]

I don't agree with this.
The fans voted for a bigger points gap not "medals".

Why do they refuse to listen to the fans?

They DO listen to the vocal minority of the fans. You know, those fans that will write the FIA letters, send them faxes, phone in death threats, and pose on F1 technical forums just so the sport gets changed into what they want it to be.

Just ask Islamatron, he is a fanboi of this system. He can tell you that mathmatic probability of rediculous results dont matter, because he can see the future, and it will NEVER happen.

Whatever. Like so many interests before, this one is growing a bit rotten, and the maggots will try to usher me along, so that they can wallow in their foul fantasy...

[vall]

I think last year actually demostrated what a horrible mess would have been made by the driver with the most 'wins' taking the crown. Whoever you support it would've been really controversial...

You seems to forget that last year the driver how won was not because he deserved it most, or because he performed best. But because Ferrari did some incredibly stupid mistakes as a team. If they did not mess up their rain set-up (at Silverstone and other tracks) or screwed up the things in Singapur the outcome could have been difference.

[ISLAMATRON]

Because most of the fans are stupid... they asked for shorter races too remember?

Shortening a 2hr race isn't daft, it's about keeping their attention, as the middle of the race can be processional.

Fans' arn't "stupid" or if they are you've tarred yourself with the stupid brush too.

It's MY opinion that this is not the best idea, I don't want the WDC crowned before the last race of the season as will be the case from now.

I don't expect people to start a BS arguement about my views either...

Notice I said most of the fans... but you are correct I should have said most of the fans they surveyed... The WDC would NOT have been crowned before the last race for the last couple seasons under this system so how would that change? This might not be the best idea, but I believe it is better than was currently in place.

Why should they cater to the stupid fans with short attention spans? Actually I think they said it was the end of the races were processional, which is true, seeing that after the second round of pit stops the positions are pretty much set, but that wasnt the case in Hungary, SPA, or Brazil last season was it? Shortened races is a stupid idea any way around, especially with how much faster the cars are these days. I think the races should be longer... 3.5 fuel stints would be a good distance to give us a mix of different strategies.

[Conceptual]

Extremes? How about simple mathmatic probability? The extreme case is just as possible as any other case, and just because it exposes how freaking stupid this idea is, don't trash talk it.

No it is not as probable... and that conceptual is simple mathematics.

How about you support your simple math with some probability numbers?

At the beginning of the season, any outcome is just as probable as any other.

And even if it is Winning 5 races, and 10 podiums, that shouldn't lose to 6 wins, 4 DNF's 2 podiums.

It is OK Islamatron, I know how much F1 means to your continued good opinion about yourself, I wouldn't dream of taking the last worthwhile thing from your life.

Enjoy it all that you can!

[Sawtooth-spike]

i was going to write a long post about why i think this is a bad idea but i belive actions speak loader than words, so is my message summed up in one action



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That is all

[ben_watkins]

not only have the FIAsco not listened to the fans, they've also not listened to the teams!

Both the fans and the teams thought the best solution is to revert to the points system of old, where a larger number of points were awarded for a win.

With a mixture of wins and points the FIAsco have once again proven they are in a world of their own and don't give a flying **** about anyone else..

[meves]

Bring back the points system as nobody really cares about the constructors championship even the teams have acknowledged this!

I think last year actually demostrated what a horrible mess would have been made by the driver with the most 'wins' taking the crown. Whoever you support it would've been really controversial...

You seems to forget that last year the driver how won was not because he deserved it most, or because he performed best. But because Ferrari did some incredibly stupid mistakes as a team. If they did not mess up their rain set-up (at Silverstone and other tracks) or screwed up the things in Singapur the outcome could have been difference.

This is not a discussion that's worth having as last year had so many ifs and buts and it been said too many times before (and this honestly is my last word on it). If we averaged them out from both sides then it could have gone either way. Massa drove brilliantly and Hamilton drove brilliantly too, they entertained all the way through and gave us an amazing season. The controversy would have been due to the disqualification which was the only result that was questionable because it was not a result of driver, team or car issues.

[ISLAMATRON]

And even if it is Winning 5 races, and 10 podiums, that shouldn't lose to 6 wins, 4 DNF's 2 podiums.

And why not... wins is what I'm after... after that who cares? Even Rubans got a podium last year in the dog Honda... big whoop ti doo

[myurr]

You think they would win 8 in a row and then not try to win more? Once you get to the race and put in 1 lap you have already spent most of the money you will for that race weekend... if you said not show up then they might save some loot... but I believe constructor money only gets paid out if you participate in every race weekend.

How about brand new banzai engine every race for 8 in a row which gives them the wins they need, and then having grid penalties for the rest of the season.

This is one of the most shameful perversions of the F1 championship since it began. They created the problem by turning F1 into an endurance race rather than a sprint, and through penalising drivers for even the slightest of mistakes (even where contact isn't made!!). Now to fix it they are trying an artificial stimulation.

This just continues moving F1 towards the sham that is WWF.

What's next? Joker cards that drivers can play twice a year for a 10 grid place boost? Randomising the amount of fuel each car starts with? Randomly changing peoples gear ratios without telling them? What about when a driver is stripped of a win, like Hamilton at Spa last year, and it's given to his rival by the stewards? In that instance it was a 4 point penalty (relative), now it could be even more decisive in the championship.

Why oh why can't we just go back to the straight forward races of yesteryear without all the artificial circus?

[natef1]

When I first saw it I thought it seemed like a reasonable compromise.

But having thought about it and read some things, can't help but feel this is turning F1 the wrong way.

After Brazil, I thought, bring on 2009. Then reading up on KERS and the rule changes I was dreading the start of a new season, then seeing all the teams reasonably matched (not inc. Brawn), I got excited again. And now, with 9 days to go.. I'm not very excited at all.

Way to go FIA. Way to go.

[mcdenife]

Extremes? How about simple mathmatic probability? The extreme case is just as possible as any other case, and just because it exposes how freaking stupid this idea is, don't trash talk it.

No it is not as probable... and that conceptual is simple mathematics.

Conceptual makes a valid point and it is possible/probable. His point is NOT specifically about that scenario, it could be 2 wins and 16 finishes outside the point etc and there are many such scenarios if you care to really think about it (one which you mentioned yourself ie:

Now if they would stop taking away wins from the driver who crosses the finish line first as in SPA 2008.

Like thats gonna happen, its the FIA we are talking about here. FOTA's proposal is a way better and fairer.

[vall]

when saying that 14 Championships would have lasted shorter you forget that the driver's behaved as they thought was the best given the point system in place. If the 2nd finisher new that the wins count more, then I am sure they would have attached to get the win. So, this would ahve altered the outcome the Championship. So, it is very hard to say what would hhave actually happened back then, if the medal system was in place.

[ISLAMATRON]

What's next? Joker cards that drivers can play twice a year for a 10 grid place boost? Randomising the amount of fuel each car starts with? Randomly changing peoples gear ratios without telling them? What about when a driver is stripped of a win, like Hamilton at Spa last year, and it's given to his rival by the stewards? In that instance it was a 4 point penalty (relative), now it could be even more decisive in the championship.

Why oh why can't we just go back to the straight forward races of yesteryear without all the artificial circus?

That ---(in bold) would be funny... but to me the points are artificial circus... I won more races than you, cant get any more straightforward & simpler than that can it?