Points system to be scrapped for 2009

[timbo]

I'm sad.

[ISLAMATRON]

Extremes? How about simple mathmatic probability? The extreme case is just as possible as any other case, and just because it exposes how freaking stupid this idea is, don't trash talk it.

No it is not as probable... and that conceptual is simple mathematics.

Conceptual makes a valid point and it is possible/probable. His point is specifically about that scenario, it could be 2 wins and 16 finishes outside the point etc and there are many such scenarios if you care to really think about it (one which you mentioned yourself ie:

Now if they would stop taking away wins from the driver who crosses the finish line first as in SPA 2008.

Like thats gonna happen, its the FIA we are talking about here. FOTA's proposal is a way better and fairer.

It is possible(any thing is) but very improbable... how bout that... what i meant before but in different words.

[myurr]

What's next? Joker cards that drivers can play twice a year for a 10 grid place boost? Randomising the amount of fuel each car starts with? Randomly changing peoples gear ratios without telling them? What about when a driver is stripped of a win, like Hamilton at Spa last year, and it's given to his rival by the stewards? In that instance it was a 4 point penalty (relative), now it could be even more decisive in the championship.

Why oh why can't we just go back to the straight forward races of yesteryear without all the artificial circus?

That ---(in bold) would be funny... but to me the points are artificial circus... I won more races than you, cant get any more straightforward & simpler than that can it?

In the context of long life components on the cars, it just doesn't make sense. We're either going to see banzai components deliberately built for a single race and to hell with the penalty at the next race, or we're going to see drivers retiring to save their car should they not be in a position to win. Whoop-ti-do what an exciting race that'd be.

And wins tends to favour the best car, as that'll be able to win on more tracks. Drivers, when they can make a difference to a good but not best car, tend to aim for as many wins as they can salvage but strong finishes in the rest. Now they might as well give up and focus on the next race.

Stupid.

[vall]

if you think of interesting cares last year. What about this:

Singapure: Massa is out Hami 3rd. If the wins counted, he would have attached furiously Nico and Alsono= more excitement

Brazil: could have been much more exciting because Hami would have needed to beat Massa. But before that he should pass Kimmi and Alonso

[Sawtooth-spike]

Just when you think, wow, we have probably the best season of F1 coming up for years. The grid is all mixed up, and the driver are all up for it.

Then the FIA come along feck it up.

Can you imagin in Ferrari golden days where Schumi one most of the races in a season? He could of gone on holiday half way through the season and not come back.

Also and this is the biggest and greats flaw with the stupid system, is TEAM order (yes i dare say it) will make a fantastic return. They may not be Called that but we all know that they will. Because the win will be much more important to the driver. And i know it wont be "A let B pass", But it will be a nice big fat case of "A you have B behind you and he is going fast hint hint". Sorry i didnt plan to rant about this, but its yet again a case of the FIA getting involved when there was no need for them to do so.

[ISLAMATRON]

In the context of long life components on the cars, it just doesn't make sense. We're either going to see banzai components deliberately built for a single race and to hell with the penalty at the next race, or we're going to see drivers retiring to save their car should they not be in a position to win. Whoop-ti-do what an exciting race that'd be.

And wins tends to favour the best car, as that'll be able to win on more tracks. Drivers, when they can make a difference to a good but not best car, tend to aim for as many wins as they can salvage but strong finishes in the rest. Now they might as well give up and focus on the next race.

Stupid.

I think you underestimate the value the teams put on the constructors championship. Drivers will still shoot for the best position possible even if they cant win, because if the wins are tied the tiebreaker is points.

[myurr]

In the context of long life components on the cars, it just doesn't make sense. We're either going to see banzai components deliberately built for a single race and to hell with the penalty at the next race, or we're going to see drivers retiring to save their car should they not be in a position to win. Whoop-ti-do what an exciting race that'd be.

And wins tends to favour the best car, as that'll be able to win on more tracks. Drivers, when they can make a difference to a good but not best car, tend to aim for as many wins as they can salvage but strong finishes in the rest. Now they might as well give up and focus on the next race.

Stupid.

I think you underestimate the value the teams put on the constructors championship. Drivers will still shoot for the best position possible even if they cant win, because if the wins are tied the tiebreaker is points.

And I think you overestimate it. Given the choice they'd go for the drivers championship as that's the one that gets the media coverage and profile, and thus brings best value to them and their sponsors.

If there's an advantaged to be had by retiring, they'll take it. These stupid rules now give that advantage.

[xpensive]

Can anyone explain the argument from FIA for this, drivers don't try hard enough to win, is that it?

[myurr]

if you think of interesting cares last year. What about this:

Singapure: Massa is out Hami 3rd. If the wins counted, he would have attached furiously Nico and Alsono= more excitement

Brazil: could have been much more exciting because Hami would have needed to beat Massa. But before that he should pass Kimmi and Alonso

Alternative for you, Massa and Kimi running first and second in the first race, and Ferrari believe Kimi to be their best bet over the season even though it's too early to tell. They give the order to switch places, as they've been given a reason for them to engineer the results from the start rather than let them fight it out for a while.

[myurr]

Can anyone explain the argument from FIA for this, drivers don't try hard enough to win, is that it?

That's the basic idea.

[vall]

Alternative for you, Massa and Kimi running first and second in the first race, and Ferrari believe Kimi to be their best bet over the season even though it's too early to tell. They give the order to switch places, as they've been given a reason for them to engineer the results from the start rather than let them fight it out for a while.

If they have decided from the beginning whom to back, this will happen anyway. Under the proposed point system, the winner will take 3 more points. Last couple of years we saw that even one point counts

[timbo]

The idea that only wins count for WDC is in severe contradict with limited number engines per season etc.
Imagine someone would run all his 8 engines flat out and would win 8 races. That is most definitely a title in the pocket.
This is just stupid.
And I'm loyal to FIA most of the times.

[xpensive]

And a hard-fought, but in the context rather useless, second place will make a driver feel duly rewarded I guess?

[ISLAMATRON]

The idea that only wins count for WDC is in severe contradict with limited number engines per season etc.
Imagine someone would run all his 8 engines flat out and would win 8 races. That is most definitely a title in the pocket.
This is just stupid.
And I'm loyal to FIA most of the times.

Flat out how? all the way to the 18K rpm limit that they can run all day?

[ISLAMATRON]

And I think you overestimate it. Given the choice they'd go for the drivers championship as that's the one that gets the media coverage and profile, and thus brings best value to them and their sponsors.

If there's an advantaged to be had by retiring, they'll take it. These stupid rules now give that advantage.

You do understand that the teams only get paid by their standing in the WCC right?