Points system to be scrapped for 2009

[myurr]

And I think you overestimate it. Given the choice they'd go for the drivers championship as that's the one that gets the media coverage and profile, and thus brings best value to them and their sponsors.

If there's an advantaged to be had by retiring, they'll take it. These stupid rules now give that advantage.

You do understand that the teams only get paid by their standing in the WCC right?

Are you kidding me? That's the TV money, and to be WDC they're going to end up being right up there anyway.

Given the choice of finishing WDC and third in the constructors, or 2nd and 1st in the constructors, which would they choose?

[myurr]

The idea that only wins count for WDC is in severe contradict with limited number engines per season etc.
Imagine someone would run all his 8 engines flat out and would win 8 races. That is most definitely a title in the pocket.
This is just stupid.
And I'm loyal to FIA most of the times.

Flat out how? all the way to the 18K rpm limit that they can run all day?

So they're just going to have one engine map now?

[vall]

You do understand that the teams only get paid by their standing in the WCC right?

yes, that's way teams will not let their drivers do stupid things.

also, these suggestions for taking 8 straight wins, etc. This is not serious right? If it only was that easy....

[ISLAMATRON]

And I think you overestimate it. Given the choice they'd go for the drivers championship as that's the one that gets the media coverage and profile, and thus brings best value to them and their sponsors.

If there's an advantaged to be had by retiring, they'll take it. These stupid rules now give that advantage.

You do understand that the teams only get paid by their standing in the WCC right?

Are you kidding me? That's the TV money, and to be WDC they're going to end up being right up there anyway.

Given the choice of finishing WDC and third in the constructors, or 2nd and 1st in the constructors, which would they choose?

Quitting the race doesnt leave you 1, 2 or 3 in the WCC... its leaves you in 2008 Honda territory.

[myurr]

Alternative for you, Massa and Kimi running first and second in the first race, and Ferrari believe Kimi to be their best bet over the season even though it's too early to tell. They give the order to switch places, as they've been given a reason for them to engineer the results from the start rather than let them fight it out for a while.

If they have decided from the beginning whom to back, this will happen anyway. Under the proposed point system, the winner will take 3 more points. Last couple of years we saw that even one point counts

The point is that if it's 2 or 3 points then they'd be happier to let the drivers fight it out. But for race wins then, with only a few up for grabs, they're statistically that much more important.

The fact of the matter is that the FIA don't exactly have a great track record of changing the championship for the better. In fact I'd personally say that the majority of changes they have made in the last 15 years have been to the detriment of the sport. This change will prove no different.

[vall]

as a fan of F1, I want to see battles for the wins, not drives for points. It doesn't really matter what the point system is, provided it stimulates the show.

[ISLAMATRON]

The idea that only wins count for WDC is in severe contradict with limited number engines per season etc.
Imagine someone would run all his 8 engines flat out and would win 8 races. That is most definitely a title in the pocket.
This is just stupid.
And I'm loyal to FIA most of the times.

Flat out how? all the way to the 18K rpm limit that they can run all day?

So they're just going to have one engine map now?

They can run all day on any engine map at 18K rpm, the only thing that would fail is a bad batch of parts and that can fail on the 2nd or the 200th mile.

[timbo]

Flat out how? all the way to the 18K rpm limit that they can run all day?

Apparently they can't run all day at the limit, e.g. you can run with limited cooling etc.
Same things as for gearboxes.
Truth is now you must ONLY win so much races. Rest is irrelevant. That is WRONG.

[myurr]

Quitting the race doesnt leave you 1, 2 or 3 in the WCC... its leaves you in 2008 Honda territory.

If the field is as close as it seems then the average scores are going to be lower due to the teams taking points of each other.

And I'm only talking about a deliberate retirement or two in order to gain an advantage. If it happens even once then I'd say that it was to the detriment of the sport and that yet again the FIA have failed.

[myurr]

They can run all day on any engine map at 18K rpm, the only thing that would fail is a bad batch of parts and that can fail on the 2nd or the 200th mile.

Prove it, cause I don't for one minute believe you that they can push those engines at 100% for 3 full race distances, plus qualifying, tests, etc.

[Roger the knife]

Another new rule that has been missed by most pundits, is the new Joker rule, where you can play a joker card at any event, and you get an extra 50 hp for that race, there is also a season long "Mini marathon" competition administered by Eddie Waring and Arthur Ellis, and Stuart Hall is taking over as Race director......

[natef1]

as a fan of F1, I want to see battles for the wins, not drives for points. It doesn't really matter what the point system is, provided it stimulates the show.

So now defensive, clever, tactical driving is not a good thing? Sometimes there are races where you just do not have the pace and you have to hold onto what you do have. As someone else said earlier (I forgot who, maybe conceptual?), you will now just get banzai moves, both dangerous and potentially detrimental to the offensive driver.

[i70q7m7ghw]

Just seen the new approved system. So points are still in place but if you get the most you still might not win the championship.... great lets alienate and confuse the new fans

[vall]

So now defensive, clever, tactical driving is not a good thing? Sometimes there are races where you just do not have the pace and you have to hold onto what you do have. As someone else said earlier (I forgot who, maybe conceptual?), you will now just get banzai moves, both dangerous and potentially detrimental to the offensive driver.

If you don't have the pace, then what? You can't win either way! So, you better stick to what you have. If you have equal win, then the point count. So, even if you can't win, you will still fight for the best you can achieve given the circumstances

[natef1]

So now defensive, clever, tactical driving is not a good thing? Sometimes there are races where you just do not have the pace and you have to hold onto what you do have. As someone else said earlier (I forgot who, maybe conceptual?), you will now just get banzai moves, both dangerous and potentially detrimental to the offensive driver.

If you don't have the pace, then what? You can't win either way! So, you better stick to what you have. If you have equal win, then the point count. So, even if you can't win, you will still fight for the best you can achieve given the circumstances

I don't really get you. You said you want people to drive for wins, not points.. So I basically said, what's wrong with not driving for wins every race? But now you're saying the same thing..

:^o

Something got lost in translation i think, because I also think we believe the same thing here..